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Season 4: Ep 2, Maaxx West, 2023 Miss WBFF Bikini World Champion

Maaxx West is a dynamic content creator, influencer, and now the 2023 WBFF Bikini World Champion. In this podcast episode, we talk about Maaxx’s insights to success. Overcoming being teased about how she talked was just the start of her path to mental fortitude. Being strong mentally and physically is part of the path to wellness. In my book “Pillars of Wellness,” I cover how the body and mind have to work as one so that people can enjoy their lives even 20 years from now.

Maaxx has succeeded in achieving many goals that may have been unobtainable if not for her insights and learning how to tune her mental and physical fortitude.

Her website is

A significant social media reach and impact across TikTokTwitterFacebook, and Instagram.

Full Transcript edited only for grammar.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:04] All right. Well, welcome to the Dr. Chalmers podcast. Today we're talking with Max West, the new pro bikini champ in the world.

Maaxx West [00:00:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:14] That's your official title.

Maaxx West [00:00:17] The official title is Miss WB F Bikini World.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:21] Very nice. Very nice. And you got that one added to your tattoo list Is is that right away.

Maaxx West [00:00:29] Ex I don't know if I can show you. Can you see it.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:33] Yeah I can see it. Yeah.

Maaxx West [00:00:35] I have a poster of my Instagram or I guess in a picture. Yeah. I got a tattooed I want to make kind of like a band shirt. You know how that bands go on tour and then they have all the dates like that, so I'm going to do my shows.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:46] Oh, no, that's a great idea that you should 100% do that. You do that for the true blood line. The pyramid.

Maaxx West [00:00:55] What about it?

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:56] Is that exactly what you're searching for?

Maaxx West [00:00:58] That we should. We should do about it. That's a good idea. No, I was joking about doing it with my competitions, but I should use the pyramid, too, For sure.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:01:07] Yeah. Now that'll be fun.

Maaxx West [00:01:09] That's a good idea.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:01:10] All right, so just recently, you're hanging out with me for a couple days ago, and then you went and did another podcast that we touched on. So what's the podcast? And kind of walk through the insanity of that one?

Maaxx West [00:01:24] Well, I was on the Drinking Rose podcast, which my friend told me about. It connected me with him, and I hadn't really listened to the podcast before. I know these guys do a lot of different things, like to do sports stuff and, you know, a lot of serious subjects and then a lot of humor. But I hadn't actually listened to us one on the podcast. And, you know, first they're asking about my crown and my competition. So I put my crown on because I had it with me. And then very fast, it just spiraled into just complete madness. And when I walked into the studio, I told them, Hey, guys, if you just, you know, I have no secrets. I have nothing to hide, no photos. Let's go. You know, I was like, I got to tell you, but I don't know when it's coming out. But yeah, it was.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:10] And we have to tell you all the Instagram because I want to see it. I can't wait to see this one.

Maaxx West [00:02:16] So sorry.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:17] I said, I can't wait to see this one when it comes out on the. If you have to tell us.

Maaxx West [00:02:22] Yeah, absolutely, I will. Well, I don't know if they're going to send me all the promos when it's done, and I will be promoting for sure. But it was, you know, here's the I, I love to, you know, do serious things and talk about serious subjects and, you know, help people with that health and everything. But I believe that you need to be able to make people laugh. And that's what I'm all about. I want to help people. I want to say something serious and then I want to make them laugh. And if I do that, then I, you know, mission accomplished.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:49] Then you win. That's right. You touched on all the points, the educational, the, you know, emotional for making them laugh. Now, that's fantastic.

Maaxx West [00:02:55] Yeah. So I think people need to not take themselves so seriously all the time.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:02] That is that is 100% of that. You know, all the stress that, you know, I work with the people on. That's probably the number one thing that we end up seeing is that, you know, they're taking themselves way too seriously and it's just into the end. You know, that's where the stress comes from.

Maaxx West [00:03:14] Yeah, definitely. And I was I worked a lot of myself and stress and everything. And I know I'm going to tell you this. I think that I talk about you to somebody every single day, actually.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:29] Well, it's because, you know, it's well, once you find out that like, oh, there is there is a way for like the allergy stuff, once you figure out there is a way to get rid of allergies, you know, it really, really helps make everything better. And so if you're trying to help people, people get better like you do with all your work, it's one of those things that that's obviously something you're going to throw out.

Maaxx West [00:03:46] Yeah, I think it's incredible. I mean, just to talk a little bit about what you did for me, I did my allergy reset with you and I don't remember. It was a classic event. I don't can't recall what month that was. Was it April or something? No.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:04:01] Yeah, yeah. MASH somewhere in there.

Maaxx West [00:04:05] Yeah, it was a while ago and it was before my competition. So I remember we did it all and I was sensitive to, I don't know, 70 different foods or something and a bunch of other stuff. And I just thought that you know, I just have to stop eating all these things, which is what I had done. And I had gotten a lot better and I was feeling healthy, but I was avoiding everything, right? Yeah. And then I had never heard of this. I just figure that, you know, you figure out what you can use and I just don't use it. And then you have a great life. But then, like you tell me And I said, You know what I've said to you many times? I said, I don't need to eat this and I don't need to do that. But you have said to me several times, But yeah, but you should be able to. And I was like, Yeah, that is true. I should be able to and I shouldn't have to avoid everything all the time. So of all the things that we reset last time, I have tried almost everything. The only thing I haven't had is chicken, which is because I hate chicken and I probably would never eat it. But besides that, I'm eating eggs every day. I'm eating ginger every day. And those were my really bad ones.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:09] Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Like the ones I have so bad for me. Oh, yeah. I have a peanut allergy. If I eat it, I die. And I'm like, Yeah.

Maaxx West [00:05:17] We. Can I talk about my family?

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:19] Yeah, we can make sure not die.

Maaxx West [00:05:22] Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:22] Yeah, I would. I would try that one out. So.

Maaxx West [00:05:25] Yeah, we have a, we have a new, a new person for you that gets really sick from meat.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:32] Ooh. So there's a.

Maaxx West [00:05:34] Tick, then.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:35] There's a tick that actually, if it bites you, you become very like red meat. Now, that's very noxious to you. I can't remember the name of the tick. Someone's going to mention it in the description, but like, I can't remember. Tick. But if you get bit by this tick, then all of a sudden it's real bad for you as far as far as Rodriguez, because it makes you nauseous from that point out.

Maaxx West [00:05:57] Oh, wow. Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:58] So I'd love to get one of those guys in civilian help with that because the limes you get from Tex and we take limes out all the time. So I wonder if we could do it with, with that other the other tech. That's interesting. But yeah, I can't wait to see this person play something in.

Maaxx West [00:06:12] Oh, actually, I know we're talking about all kinds of stuff. I, I have a friend who's very allergic to. It's some sort of mosquito or a fly or something done to that too, you think?

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:27] Well, so yeah. So like we do, we do dogs and cats and stuff like that all the time. Horses, we've done goats, all sorts of stuff. So if there's a saliva or there's a, there's a thing that's on that fly, as long as we can get a sample of that, we can decent size and yeah.

Maaxx West [00:06:43] We need to catch one then. Yes. I can't remember who told me that. So somebody is somebody I know very well and told me this and they asked was like, do you think that can be done? I was like, I'm sure. But you know.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:54] Well, the other ones that are kind of difficult are like medications. Yeah. So we still run them because, like, if I can knock your penicillin allergy down by 50%, that's going to help you out a lot. So yeah, yeah, we'll still run them when we run all the other stuff. But you know, that one's the only one that's every once in a while it's iffy and that's because it's a synthetic frequency. But you know, outside of that, everything else pretty easy.

Maaxx West [00:07:18] Yeah. Oh and remember too, that last time I told you about my testosterone being low and that I tried to do testosterone replacement, but I reacted so badly to it. So I have I just haven't done anything. And then we checked it. Right. And I did have sensitivity to it.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:07:34] Yes. Yeah. So we'll run to test next time because it's one of those things where I don't think that it's the testosterone. I think it's the carrier oil that's in it. So that's the thing. So we'll we should test you against those carrier oils as well. But that's usually what it is. So the testosterone, again, testosterone is all that different because I'm ready to use it as a drug. But it's not it's a it's more of a supplement to your body. It makes normally, but deeply, desperately needing. So that's why I think that it's the carrier oil and not the actual chemical, because that should theoretically work, but regardless that you're off to it. So I have to reset it.

Maaxx West [00:08:12] Yeah. Well, I said I will be back frequently, I'm sure. Yes. Yes.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:17] Well, I'll try to get to. So, you know, we're kind of, you know.

Maaxx West [00:08:21] Uh huh. Oh yeah. And I will definitely come back. There's. I had a great time there.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:26] Yeah, that was a good time. Do you have any more shows out here? Are they planning any of the shows you come out here to see or.

Maaxx West [00:08:32] No. So. Yeah. I was at the WB, a friend's amateur show over there, and I was the emcee, which was super fun. It was the first time I did that, the commentator during the show, and I'm sure I'll be doing more. As far as Dallas, I think there's I think there's just one show a year, maybe two. I'm not 100% sure. Actually, that was the first time I was at that show, though.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:58] So. Okay. So I do want to go into that one because you and I both talk a lot about mindset and, you know, the way our mind works and how you can, you know, better yourself with your mind work and stuff like that. But. Walked down the path that you the vision path that you took getting you not only on stage but to the public speaking the whole thing because this is a really big thing I want people to understand when they're trying to redirect their life. So tell them the story.

Maaxx West [00:09:25] Well, so I'm going to say, when I was younger, I've always been a very quiet person. If they or not, I was very quiet, very shy. I didn't really talk much. But I do remember when I was young that typically I, I actually was more okay with talking in front of people than to talk like this. I talking to one person, I always get very just shut down and I don't know why, but this was back in Sweden.

And then I remember I came to to the United States about 12 years ago and, you know, I speak very good English, but it's not my first language. And I do remember that. But, you know, before I was pretty quiet when I first came to, even though I'm not shy, but I just wouldn't really talk the way I do today. And a few years ago I met my best friend at Kilis and I remember that whenever we hung out, he just always got me talking a lot and he asked me, he's like, Max, why are you not speaking like this in front of people? Like all these things that you are telling me. This is incredible things and you need to talk about it. And I told him, You know what? I don't know why I haven't. I have never felt comfortable knowing how I'm supposed to say things like I didn't know how to properly express myself.

Whenever I hang out with him, he would just get me talking just by his from his energy. You know, I was just feeling comfortable and. Just around him. And sometimes he would sneakily record me with his phone while I was talking and he would send it to me and I was like, Oh my God, I didn't know you were recording this. And I remember the first time I did it, I was talking for 2 hours, I think, and he recorded the whole thing. And then he said all of this, You told me you have to say this. And I just said, Oh my God, I never before known how to express all of this. It just but now we just all came out and I said, I don't know if it's because English wasn't my first language.

I didn't know exactly how to say it, or if I just hadn't figured out how I wanted to say it. Because there's one thing when you think something in your mind and it all makes sense to you by then, when you say it, it doesn't make sense anyway. So either way, after, you know, hanging out with him and he's saying this, I started doing a little bit more talking just on my social media and things like that, and not really any public speaking, just talking on my social media. And, you know, I realized I really like this and I really like talking. As long as I have something of meaning to say, I don't want to just ramble. And then in 2020, COVID hit and I was, you know, pretty much all by myself during the lockdown and everything. I just separated from my ex-husband.

So I was living by myself. And a friend of mine convinced me basically to do this WB off competition. I had tried and saw it 11 years ago I did two shows and you know, it was fun, but it wasn't really my thing. I felt like this is not where I belong. So I've always lived the lifestyle, just training and eating this way. My friends helped me about the WB if and I have seen all those crazy costumes online. I remember, but I didn't really know what it was. And first I just said No, no, no, I don't want to compete. I'm not interested. This is not for me to introduce you to my current coach.

And they together managed to convince me somehow to try this channel. So I said, Fine, I'll do it. I'll try show why not one time. So during COVID year, I was on prep the whole year, and I think thanks to that prep, it just got me focused on that. And I actually had one of the best years of my life. I met incredible people. I actually enjoyed being by myself and for the first time ever, I actually had time to do something for myself. Yeah, the whole prep and health and I started working on myself mentally and tried even like meditation and I'm hyperactive, ADHD, ADHD, all the things. So meditation has always been very difficult for me because I get so like this. And I just started working on it and got better and better at it. And today I think I'm just really good at all of this and just putting me in the right mindset and everything. Either way, the show I was supposed to do got canceled because it was COVID and I just kept prepping and prepping and prepping and all the shows get canceled one by one.

They ended up doing a virtual competition. So I did one competition basically over the phone like this, and I got my pro card. Not on the first one. We're on the second virtual one. I got a pro card. So by the time it was time to actually compete for real, it was in November and I had already prepped since January. So it was a very long prep. But thanks to that, I thought I was ready. And I think if I had done a show after three or four months, which was the original plan, I don't know if I would have won. But now I had 11 months to work on myself, work my body, everything in my body as I lose weight very fast. So my prep was I lose the weight too fast and then I have to start increasing calories and basically not do cardio to not disappear. But I had so much time to work on my mindset. And every day I remember in the beginning I was thinking, I don't know if I'm good enough, I'm not muscular enough. You know, my pulse is not good enough. And then just suddenly, one day I just told myself, Max, stop saying this, you're great, you fucking worked hard and you can do this. And then from that day, for the last one or two months, every single day, I was standing in front of the mirror and I said out loud to myself, I have fucking busted my ass and I'm going to go up there and I'm going to kick ass. And I've already won this show. Like I told myself that every day in the mirror and they fucking worked. And I went in on that stage and I won the show. And I tell every client I coach, I say this. I said,

As ridiculous as it sounds, start talking to yourself and talk loud. And it might seem silly at first, but it's if you do this every day, one day you're just going to believe yourself and then everything just works.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:31] Yeah. Which we can shift the mindset to, you know, where we want to go. And so where we're afraid of going, it helps us in all sorts of different ways psychologically. And, you know, it's like prayer because, you know, once we get, you know, aligned with where we're going to go, it seems that we get there a lot faster. And the funny thing is. Is it, people? Well, that's silly and that's stupid. Well, how are you going to get anywhere? Have passion for anything you're going to go if you don't wake up every morning and go, I'm going to do this thing like that. If you don't have that passion, I don't know if you can get things done. So that's that's why I tell everybody, if you want to get stuff done, tell yourself how you're going to do it and that you're going to get there.

Maaxx West [00:16:09] So I think that when you first start doing this, it seems silly, right? And you're almost like, this is ridiculous. But I think when you have done it and it's worked for you, it's good that there's just no doubt when I do it now and I will sit in my car where I mean sit in the kitchen and I will yell things just out. And it doesn't seem silly anymore because I know it's going to work. So it only feels dumb when you don't know.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:38] Correct. Well, that's the faith part. Right. It's the I'm going to do this. And then the more you believe it, the more it helps drive you to where you need to go.

Maaxx West [00:16:47] Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:48] I can just see through that. Sorry. The picture of you screaming things just randomly, like looking through your car window, watching you do that picture popped my head. And that's quite hilarious.

Maaxx West [00:16:58] I do it every day. Every day. Is there a certain.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:17:02] Time you do this? Because, like I this would be something I think would be fun to watch.

Maaxx West [00:17:08] Oh, no. I mean, wherever. I've just been doing it in the car because it's like I listen to instead of I listen to music still sometimes, but I listen to a lot of, like, inspirational things. And I've been listening a lot to like Andy for sell out or podcasts or about, you know, like winner mentality and all this stuff. And I realized that my whole life I've loved metal music and a lot of the metal music is very depressing, like the lyrics. I still love the music, but I don't I don't associate it with it anymore. And even the other day I actually had a company sending me t shirts. They asked, you know, if you some t shirt. I was like, Yeah, let's do a trade. I guess I'm just, I'm so glad. And I got a t shirts and I take them out of the box and it says something about like I work out because it kills, you know, the sad voices in my head. And I was like, I don't even want to put this shirt on. It doesn't feel right because I'm not sad, I'm not depressed anymore, and it just does. It's not the same thing then. See, that's.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:18:12] The other thing. I'm really glad you made that decision, because here's the thing. If a bunch of these little you know, I say little, I'm so old now that 25 year olds are little to me. So that's how old I am.

Maaxx West [00:18:23] But.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:18:24] Well, so the thing is that so you get these people in, right? And they start seeing some of that they idolize some of the who's is respected in their community, like yourself, wearing a shirt that talks about how she has negative voices in her head. And then all of a sudden these people go, oh, I guess that's normal there. You know, that could lead to the manifesting their own negative thoughts, or at least not telling them that they need to push themselves in the opposite direction. So, you know, I get the point that, you know, exercise is therapy. And I talk about this all the time, but, you know, it's the other side of there.

Maaxx West [00:18:55] I've been there the past, but I'm not that person anymore.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:18:59] You know, I'll tell you, there's a lot of days. There's a lot of days I don't want to do the workout when I when I get like it's time I get to go workout and I don't really want to do it, but I'm always the second half of my day is always so much better after I workout. Just from the clarity in my head, just, you know, everything afterwards. So I get like we all we all use all of us who workout use it as therapy in some form or other, like everybody talks about that that's part of the art or deal. But yeah, perpetuating the stereotype that we all have Superbad negative things in our head is I'm glad you didn't. Glad you didn't step into that one, because I think there's a lot of there's a lot of negative function out there, especially in women, that we can put it back away from.

Maaxx West [00:19:42] Yeah, but it's the same I these days. I put very little energy and focus on things that doesn't feel right to me. And I remember I mean, I guess we've all been there where something small happens or something that makes you angry or sad awareness and then you keep thinking of it and you think about it and it just makes it worse. And now when I think that I was like, Why would you even put thoughts into it? Because how is she going to make it better? It's not going to make it better. So if something happens and I'm just like, okay, let's move on, you know, it's not even worth my energy. And then suddenly everything gets better.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:20:19] Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of the whole due back to the whole, you know, there's two wolves in you. Which one? You know, the one that takes over is the one you feed. So. Yeah.

Maxx West [00:20:28] Yeah. That's the thing that they should teach you things in schools. Like as a child, I can't remember anyone ever talking about anything like this.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:20:37] So it's funny cause I have this crazy thought that we should quit teaching kids geometry and, you know, high level calculus and stuff like that. Trigonometry. And we should teach them emotional quantum things like, Hey, you have to deal with your own mind and you have to deal with other human beings who have emotions and minds as well. Why don't we have some conversation on how to deal with that? Like that, I think is a lot more important. And Trig is now, you know, math people out there are losing their minds. But that's always been a thing that I've always thought, you know, hey, I don't have to do I don't have to, you know, find the hypotenuse of a square or a triangle or anything very often. But I do have to deal with other human beings every day. So if we're trying to prepare our kids, this is definitely a road we should walk down. I mean, so we do it with our kids now. But yeah, it is. It is. And that we should be teaching in schools how to deal with your own mind.

Maaxx West [00:21:30] Yeah, but it's the same the, like spirituality and you know, energy and stuff like that. Because I said before, I come from Sweden and in Sweden, I'm not going to say everybody, but we're not religious, we're not really believers or anything like that. And I was always, you know, I was never an atheist or anything like that, but I was just, you know, I didn't believe in anything specific.

I was always that person who needed proof for everything. And then I said, the last couple of years with that, I've met some incredible people that I have in my life. And I can tell you, I came with my best friend, cellist Tommy Rex and Emily Haden are some of them. They're very spiritual people. And I remember when I started hanging out with them, I was not that, but I do remember them talking about it and telling me stories. I found it so interesting that the more I listened to it, the more I started feeling that way too. And now I am very much like that. And now I've even experienced my own things. So now I don't even have doubts anymore.

And I remember I had this one very crazy experience happened to me, and after it happened, I called my mom and I was like, I need to tell my mom, but I don't know how she's going to take this because I said, My family is not like that. And I tell her and she tells me that, Oh my God, yes, she thinks like that, too. And then I talked to my sister and then my mom says, You've got to call your aunt. She talks to spirits. And I was like, Wait, why have we never talked about these things? Why have we never spoken of this? And now I'm like, And now we do, because now we're all on the same page. But I was like, How is it that we never talked about it?

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:23:16] You know, it's funny because, like, that's what me and my friends talk about, but we don't like. And it's always kind of funny how we filter that down to our children. You know what? Because here's the problem with the kids. I'll tell you this because I have these conversations with you, with all these guys all the time. But it's what can I tell my ten year old that he can then go back to school tomorrow and repeat about 80% of what I told him. That's not going to get him or us or anybody else in trouble. So that's the only thing from the from the parent's standpoint because I want to talk about all this with my kids really badly. But I also can't trust them to not go say the wrong thing once they get there.

Maaxx West [00:23:57] Isn't it funny, though, how I mean, now the older we get and the more we dig into this, we're becoming children again. Almost. Yeah, because children are open to this stuff. But then you start going to school and like you're in the world and all of that gets shut out because it's so it's, it's so wrong, right? And then you start thinking that and then in the middle there, you think children are crazy, right? And they're like, Oh, they're just children. They're thinking of this crazy stuff. And I'm like, Yeah, but they were it's right.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:24:27] Now it's we're much more connected to not only to each other, but to all those weird. Because here's the thing, the reason that like and this is a great example, you know, you guys were an atheist, you guys, no one in your family talked about it, so you didn't really get your information from those guys. But you had you had you had these thoughts beforehand. You saw this stuff beforehand. It was enough beforehand that you're like, this is I know that you guys told me no, but this is really weird.

Maaxx West [00:24:55] Sometimes I wonder because I had no proof before and it was like almost. And sometimes I ask myself what made me keep going because I had no proof. Because I was a person who always wanted proof. But somehow, in some weird way, I still kept working for all the things, thinking that it's going to work and then eventually did. And now when I just know everything is happening way faster for me, but I don't know. I'm like sometimes, like, I'm so glad that I kept doing things even though I had absolutely no reason to or no proof to do it. And so maybe, maybe somehow my parents still raised me in a way to be kind of open-minded. I don't know. I don't really know.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:25:41] There are a lot of people that, you know, you just you know, even with you know, even with the idea that you can fix allergies with frequencies, right. Or electromagnetic function logically, I can explain it to some people and they go, All right, well, that kind of makes some sense because you're like, You just can't do that. And I'm like.

Maaxx West [00:25:57] Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:25:58] Why do you say that? Like, I have all these people who've come out and said, Yes, I'm better now, but you know, because you're told it by somebody else, it doesn't work. You're like, Oh, okay. So it's just that that open mind of, all right, I'm going to I'm going to go check it out, you know, on both sides of things. Right? Because like, you know, when we talk about, you know, the vaccine stuff and I talk to medical doctors all the time and they're like, you know, they don't cause any problems. They don't cause any problems. You know, I've read the research. There is no research. But there I've read the research and I'm like, all of these parents have come to you and said that this thing happened. If it was one or two or three over ten years, I get it. But when it's hundreds of them, you don't want to just stop and even ask a question like, I know I was told that these are okay.

However, I keep hearing all these things that these patients are telling us how we checked on this stuff. I think it's those types of questions that kind of go through everything, regardless of what we've been told. We've been told that, you know, there is no sixth sense, there is no universal consent, there is no God, however you want to call it, you know, but we all feel like I don't think that's 100% accurate. But there's something in me. I keep seeing stuff and it's the people who quit asking the questions are the people who don't find the answers they want to. So, you know, the stuff that you're doing. I think it was hilarious because your parents obviously went through it to never talk to you about it. So that wasn't your influence. You guys just all saw so many things that your brains just went, No, no, no, there's something else. And you guys dug into it. So I think that's pretty cool that you guys ended up that doing that.

Maaxx West [00:27:31] Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:27:32] How often you guys talk about this stuff now?

Maxx West [00:27:35] I mean, so my first like a real spiritual event or whatever to call this was actually this year, early this year. I mean I guess say so that's here. I went to Sweden to visit my family. I hadn't been back for seven years and I met up, so we're going to have dinner with my mom and my sister and my grandfather. And I remember my grandmother passed away a few years ago. She was actually they thought she had dementia, but it might have been some B12. Funk, whatever. So either way, she was not she was not doing well. My grandfather was taking care of her, and then she passed away and it was like finally he could. Be free, if that makes sense. She was a she was. She didn't remember any of us. It was pretty bad. So she was like getting out there. And he. He was also not having health issues, but he was you know, you could tell before that it was just hard on him. And now I saw him and I was like, Oh, my God, this man is shining. I swear he had fewer wrinkles than I do.

And he's 91 years old. He just looked incredible, Like his skin was great. He looks great. He's so happy. And I met him and he was like, oh, you know, it's been so long. And we're sitting there and we're having this great deep conversation about because he had a new girlfriend a while back. So we're talking about relationships and stuff, and then we're eating dinner and suddenly he just collapses like, just like that. And I run over and I was like, Shit, what do I do? He's not breathing. Okay, I got to do CPR, so I just throw myself down. It's the first time I've done CPR classes a lot of times with this. The first time I actually do it on a person, I just throw myself down and start doing CPR. And I'm just my mom is just paralyzed. Like she doesn't even know what to do. And I was like, you know, call the fucking ambulance right now. I said, okay, So I have them on the phone and I keep doing CPR, and the first thing I'm thinking is, Holy shit, he's so old, I'm going to crack his chest right now. I was like, But I didn't. I just did it. And they told me afterward it wouldn't have mattered if I did or not like he was gone. And I don't know exactly. I said my personal.

Opinion on this is that it was the vaccine. There was nothing wrong with them. They vaccinated older people in Sweden. It was never a mandate by anyone over 75. They went out and said, you know, you should definitely do that. So that's what I think. I don't know. I don't have the autopsy or anything, so I don't know about either way. So he passed away. And immediately my mom just opened the window, she said. Open the window. Open the window. Now his sole has to fly out. I was like, okay, that's an interesting comment from my mom. I'm thinking. But yeah, okay. I run over and open the window and then, you know, we're sitting there. It's, you know, it was very sad, but I guess we all just kind of like, sat on the floor and just talked about it, that we were very happy that he died. So happy. He was so happy like he was living life like fucking playing in a in a band. And he was like,

Do you ever like activities everyday? Like, you know, it was not like he was 90 plus years old. So we said, you know, as sad as it was, we're very happy that it happened that way. And then I'm back home after that. I just moved into this fairly new house with Tell Tommy and I never remember my dreams like ever I. I probably dream, but I don't remember them. When I wake up, it's usually just nothing. So I woke up in the middle of the night because I remembered my dream and my mom was in it. And typically when I dream things, it's never like a place or a person really that exists, if that makes sense. The few times I do remember my dreams. So my mom was there and I remember that I have to leave her for some reason and I go somewhere and everything feels weird and I call her and I said, I don't know, something is wrong. I need to come back right now. That's all I say. I wake up, I'm in my room and I know I'm right awake. Why so open? I'm looking around. I'm like, Oh, I'm in my bedroom.

Everything's fine. And then. I feel something in the room. Kind of like. A wind. And then I hear a man's voice very fucking loud. Say, my Swedish birth name, which, first of all, nobody knows in this country, really. And I'm like, Well, I freaked out and I run out and I run to tell me, Oh my God. And then it was like, Oh my God, what was that? And then we start talking about it. And he said, You know, who knows? It could have been something good. It could have been something bad like you don't know. And I was like, It was my grandfather.

I know it was my grandfather. And I don't know why. I just knew it was him. And that's when I called my mom and I told this whole story and we had never talked about anything. And she's like, Yeah, I think so, too, she said. And I was like, Wow, that was so weird. And I've never had anything like this in my entire life. And I was wide awake. That was not a dream. I know that. I was wide awake, sitting up. I was open. It was very trippy. And after that was that.

That was the first time ever I've had anything happen. And then I talked to my mom and my sister and aunts and whatnot. And they have a lot of experiences like this, but I didn't know that because we had never talked about it before.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:32:53] Well. So that's and that's kind of the whole path, you know, not just the whole energetic spirit, the whole, you know, piece of the universe. The other thing that, you know, is right down this alley that we talked about was, you know, earlier was all about, you know. They're bringing things out of out of the ether, like concentrating on so much that, you know, it comes together. So, you know, it's it kind of goes full circle with, you know, where all these things are.

But, yeah, there's a lot of people who, you know, when we start talking about psychedelic work, you know, with all the stuff we're doing for, you know, the PTSD, the addiction, and stuff like that, it's always funny to me. And other people have raised this point. A lot of times with D.A., which is high ayahuasca, people will come back and report that they spoke to this unhuman-looking being and they got this information that was very profound for them. And lots of different people will say this.

The people, the way they describe them, all look the same, but they don't look like humans with a description. I think Rogen talked about this. Jordan Peterson talked about this. So the idea that there's more going on than where either we either understand or are allowed to understand by different governments or whatever the cultural stuff, whatever it is, I think the evidence is there that there's something else a little bit larger going on that I think is really, really fun. You know, some of those things as we start working with some of the psychedelics, you know, psilocybin and DMT a little bit more, I think we're going to get more and more research on that type of thing. And I'm not saying that is proof of anything or anything like that. I just think it's a very interesting comment that keeps doing that. So but it is kind of neat how it all ties together.

Maaxx West [00:34:37] Yeah, because I've always so as I don't know why, but my I'm very sensitive to two things that makes you feel different. So it was very simple. I don't really like drinking because I don't feel like myself. I've never I have I haven't tried much like drug wise and stuff in my life, but I just don't I like when I feel like I'm in full control. And that's why this ayahuasca and everything, like, you know, people talk about, it's like, I would love to do it, but I don't know how I feel about the whole psychedelic thing. So I for the past couple of years, I've been trying to, like, train myself to do certain things without anything like that. So that's for example, I always had trouble sleeping when I was younger and I can the best way to describe it is just like I just shut down my body completely. I almost leave it. That's how I go to bed and I can fall asleep in 5 seconds. So I would lay down and I'll do my little manifestation thing. And then I just shut up and my whole body starts to tingle as if I can't feel it anymore. And then I'm asleep. Like that and it's so easy. And before I used to not like it because when I was a kid, I always had, like my legs. You know, when your body parts kind of start to tingle because they're like, Get it falling asleep. And it would always make me so uncomfortable. So whenever that happened, I would start moving like this. But as soon as you start moving, you're waking yourself up. So I think that's why I never could fall asleep then and now. Actually, thanks to a breathwork session I did. His name is Justin Lovato, so we did Breathwork. And like after you do this whole breathing thing, your body starts to tingle like that and it's uncomfortable. But I remember I'm there in this room and I'm there with the killers and Emily and this guy Justin. And it started the tango and I just kept telling myself, Max, everything is fine. You're with good people, everything is okay. And then you just work. And I said, after that day, whenever that tingle starts, I'm okay with it. And that's. That's how I fall asleep every single day.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:36:39] Very nice.

Maaxx West [00:36:41] So I'm like, trying to still get better at the same. I can't, like, leave my body, but I know you can definitely train yourself to do these things.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:36:50] Well, if you decide that you want to try any of the psilocybin or the ketamine or any that type of stuff, make sure to tell me because I can walk you through it.

Maaxx West [00:36:58] It'll be yeah, it will definitely be with you.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:37:03] Well, the the ketamine thing is to be fun. So we started seeing patients next week. And my whole team, I've told everybody that, you know, one of the perks or however we're going to call it, all my team members have to go through ketamine. Any patient touching person has to go through it from our corporate team because I don't want any I want everybody to all say, Hey, this was my personal experience when I did it. And it's one of those things where this is one of those few treatments that you can say, Everybody has to do this because everybody needs it. Because like when I did it, my heart rate. So we go back years and years ago, I was in a car wreck and I got apparently I got PTSD from it, not from the actual impact, but from what one of the firemen said to me as at the door afterwards, the car wreck. So my heart rate had been in the nineties for 20 years. And so that was just my resting heart rate was in the nineties. No matter how much exercise idea, that's just where it was. I Oh that's real hot. Yeah. That's way too high.

Maaxx West [00:38:02] That -45 I think.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:38:05] Yeah. Tachycardic is anything over 99 and I'm sitting there 93, 95 all the time. So and then they're after COVID because I, I got COVID, everyone's like you can't get COVID more than once. I got it three or four times because I was I'm pulling people out of hospitals like, you know, which to fix them. And, you know, because.

Maaxx West [00:38:23] We can only get COVID once. What kind of bullshit is that?

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:38:26] That's, that's, that's the more of the whole, you know, the whole immunity thing to it. So it's like, you know, it's like a flu more times like a bunch of times.

Maaxx West [00:38:36] So like a lot of people have been getting it a lot of.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:38:38] Times that was that's always what I've seen. I know people say you can't, but that's not that's not what I see. That's not what we've been saying. But so I got it several times. It messed up my heart. So for last two, three years, when I would lay down, I could feel my heart beating way harder and is supposed to. And I did all the echos, I did all the stuff, and nobody could figure it out well. So I go in to test the ketamine because I wasn't going to tell somebody to do something I wasn't willing to do myself. So I did the ketamine that was supposed to be one time just to see how it went. So it made me sick.

I don't understand why people do this for Fun is a drug not my choice in any way for fun as a drug. But afterwards, like I laid down and I feel terrible. I go to lay down. And that was the first time I lay down in years where I couldn't feel my heart beating too hard anymore.

And I was like, Well, that's fun. And I wake up the next morning, my heart aches in the seventies. So what we're finding that this stuff does and this is, you know, kind of where I my brain neurologically is focused on on trauma is that trauma neurologically turns the sympathetic nervous system up. And so you start getting jittery, your heart starts racing, you start having sale stuff and you just kind of you're over, you're buzzing. You're always if it gets too high. Well, what this with the psychedelics the ketamine basically doing is turning that dial back down.

And so like I didn't like I said, it felt sick afterward, but the next day it was you know, if you take your hurry from the nineties, the seventies, there's not a whole lot of research that doesn't say that that's going to radically increase the quality of life and the number of years you have. So if I can do ketamine quarterly or whatever or whatever, it has to be like once a month, whatever it ends up being to keep my heart rate in the seventies and keep that stuff down.

Maaxx West [00:40:17] It's like a session, right? You do? Yeah, like a session with that. How long how long does it go on.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:40:25] Well, so they're like 45 to 90 minutes depending on what we're doing. And it's I prefer I.V. just because the way the medicine's delivered and the way that everything works is I.V., in my opinion, is much, much better for ketamine. Oral would be fine for like, hey, I need to do a touch-up like, you know. Once a quarter is like that. But so that's how long they stay last. We're partnering them with psychotherapy so that you have somebody to go walk you through.

That's a good guide for the journey to kind of walk you through, you know. Here are some questions I want you to remember while you're going through it and then afterward journal these things make a video of these things and then you go talk to the psychotherapist the next day and you're like, Here's what happened, here's what I think it is.

And so you guys can work through this in a much more positive manner because that's the research on that is actually showing better functionality overall. So like, the PTSD really gets a major hit from the ketamine, but the psychotherapy helps you put together the pieces of what happened. And so that's been that's been really fun. And you'll have to you guys, let's come down and run through that because I think the jail, because everybody has trauma somewhere in their life. So I think be I think you guys would enjoy the the release.

Maaxx West [00:41:35] I'm very curious. Yeah, well, I said I remember the the reason was we've gotten to know each other a lot, like pretty fast. As I remember the first time I met you. And it was just I'm all about energy now, and I met you, and there was just there's just good energy about you and that I'm like, I trusted you with the whole. RB We said the first time because the first time when I heard it, I was like, What the hell is this? Is this even possible? And I'm like, Hey, let's just do it. Let's just do it now.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:42:09] I'm glad you did because it's funny because, like, you know, a lot of the patients I have here have gotten used to because, like, we're walking through really weird stuff with muscle testing and different things like that, and then it works. And so they're like, Hey, you know what? Whatever weird stuff you got going on, that's fine. Let's I'm willing to try it. So yeah, that's been that's been beneficial.

Maaxx West [00:42:28] Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:42:30] It's just kind of difficult when you when you tell somebody outside the group. Right. Like you're very open-minded. You like you said you could. The energy helps you trust that, you know. And that's right. And there's, you know, two or three people who are there who are like, yeah, you should you know, you should trust me as the doc for our group just like that. So yeah, but telling of the people. And so that's hard for me because I hear all these people who have all these horrible allergies and stuff like that, and I just feel so bad for them. It's so easy to fix. Like, I wish you guys had the tech.

Maaxx West [00:42:58] I wish people said I told my family about it because I want my family to talk to you. And I was you know, I was a little. Skeptical. I was like, I don't know how they're going to take this when I explain it to them, but I explained it and they were all just like, Hey, I can go. Let's do it. And then both my mom and sister said, You know what? First of all, you got to you got to trust and you got to believe. And they're like, they've tried everything. They've tried everything, normal stuff, and it doesn't work. So they were just like, You know what? Let's go. I was like, Oh, well, that was easy.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:34] Well, you know, getting them to come hang out with you would probably isn't a hard, hard ask to begin with.

Maaxx West [00:43:40] Sorry.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:40] I said, asking them to come hang out with you. Come. Come to the U.S. and hang out with you for a little bit.

Maaxx West [00:43:44] No, I was. But I don't know if we should say where my sister could. My mom can't travel.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:50] Oh, all right, Well, we can. I am sure there's a good reason for us to go to Switzerland and hang out with them. So that would be great.

Maaxx West [00:43:56] In Sweden.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:57] Sweden. Sorry. Sweden. So. So this is. This is. This is the sad thing. So, like, I am the typical American who has a vague grasp of where things are in Europe. Like, I know where Italy is and I know where Lebanon is because I have to. But it's funny because, like, when I talk to my wife about like, that area and she's always like, how do you not know where everything is? And I'm.

Maaxx West [00:44:20] Like, I can thinks Sweden and Switzerland is the same.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:44:26] Yeah. And that's, that's, that's on us. My bad. But yeah, I don't know why it's funny. It's because here's the thing. I know I should know that stuff and I don't, but I. It's like I can't spell it all, and I don't care about that, but I can't. I don't know where things are in the world, and I do care about that, so I should probably spend a minute and figure that out.

Maaxx West [00:44:45] I also know in Sweden, for example, I know or I know, I don't know. I've never been to school in this country. And I think that over here they teach you a lot about over here. Right. While in Europe, for example, they teach us about everything. They teach us just as much about here as they do of their like. We're just have a freaking you have to pass a test knowing all the 50 states in the United States, even though it makes no difference for us in Sweden, we still got it. No, it.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:16] Wow.

Maaxx West [00:45:17] Uh huh.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:18] Yeah. We don't. We don't have to know. And we don't have to know very much about over there. Like, it was funny because our kids didn't want to learn all the state capitals. Yeah, and it was funny because they were like, This is why my son comes to me and goes, This is pointless. He's like, I'm never going to know this. And if I need to know, I can just look it up. And I was like.

Maaxx West [00:45:37] I mean, that is true in a way, I guess.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:40] But it was so hard for me because I was like, I 100% agree with you. But for some reason, because I'm dad, I have to tell you that you got to learn the capital. So that was that was another fun dad moment. But yeah, yeah. So that, but that's the thing like, so I guess I guess even today I don't, I don't put that much pressure into it so I don't know that's, that's not good.

Maaxx West [00:46:00] You know what, I think we should, we should do regular podcasts.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:46:03] I think we fun.

Maaxx West [00:46:04] I have so many things we can talk about.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:46:07] Yeah. Because you can help teach. You are, you know, all the important things in the world are.

Maaxx West [00:46:11] Yeah but it's just. Well, I'll tell you why that was so damn funny later. Okay. All right.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:46:22] So you're going to you're going to hang out at M.J. because come with us, right, in November?

Maaxx West [00:46:26] Yeah, I think so, Yes. So first, we're going to Olympian out in a couple of weeks with pure blood. We have a booth over there, and then after that I'll be in Vegas and then we're doing that. I'm very excited for that. Yeah, I can't wait 2028. Right.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:46:40] So yeah, I think it's the 28th through the 30th. I want to say that I'm going to be up there, I'm going to meet there's a whole bunch of group of people we got to meet up there for both Aura and some of the rest.

Maaxx West [00:46:50] Of our public speaking here.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:46:52] Yes. Yes. Well, if you get your.

Maaxx West [00:46:55] I started manifesting the whole public speaking and then only days later we went to that event in Cali and they asked me, Hey, Max, you want to talk? And I'm like, Oh my God, it's already happening.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:47:06] Yeah, you did great, too. I think you did a fantastic job.

Maaxx West [00:47:10] I need a freestyle. I can pre plan and pre practice things. I'm a like a freestyle. Just go with the flow kind of person.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:47:19] So it's funny because like, I can do podcasts and stuff, I can get up and just talk on stage. The hardest speech I ever give gave was my TEDx talk because I had I had to memorize that 15 minute speech and do it word for word. That was by far the hardest time I've ever done.

Maaxx West [00:47:35] It is I don't I'm not good at practicing things like that now.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:47:40] Even the night before, like it was late, I was late. I'm staring at the screen and I'm trying to memorize it even more because it's just I just I can't. I can't retain word for word stuff. Very well, so. But yeah, no, it's talking like this is much easier.

Maaxx West [00:47:55] Yeah, I have my grandfather had photographic memory and my aunt US too. And it's crazy. I definitely do not.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:48:03] That would be that would be handy. Like there's a I watch I don't know if you ever seen the show suits, but one of the guys in the show has an athletic memory and he remembers everything. And so I was like, That would be really handy.

Maaxx West [00:48:14] Yeah, right. Well, we got other skills.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:48:18] But yeah, we guys, we got the other stuff. So that's that. That works out. That works out. So what do you have coming up besides Olympia and MJ? Best? You have anything around?

Maaxx West [00:48:27] Anything else I got going on here? Well, I have a million projects all the time. I do so many things. I have a lot of I do products, product content and photographer. I do a lot of product content and I have a lot of product shoes coming up, like for companies like paid advertisement stuff and then some travel.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:48:46] We talk about. Can you talk about any of the products you're taking pictures of?

Maaxx West [00:48:50] Oh, there's a lot of supplement companies, so I'm known for my crazy flavor content. I would call it. So like protein powders, pre-workout, stuff like that. And I do these crazy flying food, fruits type of style photography. So I oh, every time I go on a trip, everybody reaches out to book me. So I always joke about that. I was like, if I ever not have any work, all I need to do is go on a trip and they all come. It's like they know, like she's busy. Let's call her now.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:49:19] Yes. Yeah, that's always. That's always how it is. You know, I'll be going away for new patients cause I'm like, Oh, we're going to go through the. Yeah, we need to go through the intake now. And I'm like, I am leaving tomorrow, so. Yeah. No, I feel you on that one.

Maaxx West [00:49:33] Then I'm just rebuilding and working on some new building out some new stuff for Pure Blood. I'm working on a new website. We're going to have more stuff coming up here. All my accessories, more everything. So it's always stuff going on.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:49:48] Yeah, I remember talking about this earlier. I got to get one of those. The the red writing on the black hat.

Maaxx West [00:49:54] Oh, yeah. The new. Ah, yes.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:49:56] Yeah, yeah. That was Tony got one of those and I think he got the last one we were in. Yeah.

Maaxx West [00:50:01] I just put it on so you can get it on the website. I just put them up now but I want to start making more like unique items and not just like, clothes. Other stuff too. And yes, a lot going on. And they are also I do my coaching as a re-renamed or rebranded myself a little while ago. So I call it the No Bloat Club.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:50:23] Yeah. So. Because that was your thing for a long time. So walk us through that because I know a lot of women are having these types of issues and so this would be a good thing for them to hear. Yeah, but.

Maaxx West [00:50:34] I honestly, I had like really no problems up until. It was basically just woke up one day and my stomach was so big and it hurt so bad and I was on prep to compete. So I was like, weigh my life, you know, eating the same things, like sleeping in a certain way. And I had not done anything different. And it all came out of the blue. And I guess it was like you told me at some point comes from trauma. I had some rough things going on in my life at that point. So suddenly I was sensitive to all foods. I got allergic to spray tan. So I did a spray tan is when I completed it. I never had any issues with any of these things before. And it just it just hit me one day and it took a while to figure out what was wrong because obviously I went to regular doctors first and all they kept telling me was, Oh, you need antibiotics.

And I said, That's out of the question. I said I am not taking medication. My mom has been sick for 20 years due to medication, so I'm very much like that. I will not take a painkiller unless I'm dying. I will not touch anything. And I kept telling them, I just want to know what's wrong with me. Please help me figure out why this is happening. And, you know, obviously, they had no answers for me. Doctor after doctor after doctor. Nobody knows anything. And they kept telling me the stupidest thing. I remember that there was one doctor I went to and they said, Oh my God, you got to meet this doctor because she's actually a professional athlete.

And I was like, You know what? That maybe that's better at least. And she's like, Yeah, you got to stop drinking protein shakes. And I was like, I haven't had a protein shake in ten years. I had not had a protein shake in ten years. I was like, You're just making stuff. You're just vomiting stuff out of your asshole right now. But yeah, I'm like, you know, I can't. And then she told me to stop taking vitamins. That was the next step. And I was like.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:52:22] Yeah, because your body doesn't need the chemistry. Yeah, that's, that's, that's fine.

Maaxx West [00:52:25] Yeah. So, like, long story short, I found this holistic guy in my I lived in Miami, and I found this guy and he did all the food testing on me. And this I was so bad. And we did food testing like gut bacteria tests and stool tests. We did everything. And it cost me like an arm and a leg, basically. But I was desperate. And I think unfortunately, like a lot of people, you need to hit rock bottom to realize that you have to actually do something. And that's what I'm trying to do now. I'm really trying to share information and help people before they get to that. But a lot of people these days, all they see is like, Oh, I can't afford to do this test. Oh, so you can't afford to spend like $500 now? Do you rather wait until you spend 20 grand like I did? It cost me $20,000 to do the tests and stuff because I was so bad. And I and but it's really difficult if you haven't had an issue, you can't see it that way. And I hope and I said, all I'm here for is to try to tell people to make a small investment in your health now so that you don't have to give everything you have later when you are really sick.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:53:31] Well, that's the thing is that you're gonna spend a lot more later, and the time between now and then you're going to feel like trash more and more and more. So the worst thing you spend and this is, you know, I'm going to get help from this, too. But spending money is one that you can make more money when you give up your time. When you spend your time. Yeah, I'll I'm going to have five years of of feeling like trash. Why would you spend your life that way? That's always been my thing. So your quality of life is a big push for me, but that's a wellness thing. So, yeah, you know, it is where it is.

Maaxx West [00:54:01] I've always felt that way anyway, because. I if somebody wastes my money, you know, it sucks, but I'll get like, that's okay. But people wasting my time is the worst thing I know. That's why I especially like in business and whatnot, if somebody doesn't do things properly and waste my time, you're. I'm not doing business with you. Yeah. That simple.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:54:27] Yeah. Yeah. There's lots of other things that could be doing with my time then, you know?

Maaxx West [00:54:30] Yeah, Because you're right. Time is worth more than money. Because you can always get more money, I guess.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:54:36] Yeah. So. Well, thanks for coming on with us and kind of chatting with. I do think we should do this more often. We'll have to do some live stuff from M.J.. I think that'd be fun.

Maaxx West [00:54:45] Yeah, but, I mean, I'll come visit again soon. We can do it on. On location as well.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:54:50] Absolutely. Absolutely. I'll. I'll have to. Because. Because. Because the messed up last time, I'll have to take you to dinner. I feel. I feel bad about that.

Maaxx West [00:54:57] That's the thing that I say. Don't focus your energy on small things. You. I remember you told me. Oh, my God, The sun got messed up. I'm so sorry. And I said, That's cool. Like, yeah, I was like, you know, we can redo it. It's not a big deal because it isn't a big deal because what am I going to do? Be mad at you for no reason? No, that's just an example of like, I don't, I don't really there isn't really much that can annoy me or upset me.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:55:26] That is that is the one thing that I there's one thing I really have noticed about like stuff rolls off your back so easily, like you've put yourself into a mental place that's so, so positive.

Maaxx West [00:55:38] That.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:55:40] You recognize things happen that are unavoidable, so you're not going to have a negative emotional response to it, but you still have all your your positive emotional response because there's like, I've seen you happy all the time. So it's one of the things that's what I mean is that's why it's so much fun. That's why it's so enjoyable to be around you because you're just you're a positive person all the time. So but like you said, you've worked 30-something years to put yourself in that position.

Maaxx West [00:56:06] I mean, lots and lots of work. Definitely not always like so.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:56:10] So when you when you coach, I know you're doing the no bloat club thing, but as when you coach, how much of the coaching do you do is mentorship and mindset and stuff like that?

Maaxx West [00:56:18] The majority So I said I used to you, I don't like calling myself a trainer or a nutritionist or anything like that because I am a trainer, I'm educated and all these things, I'm certified in all of that. And if you're my client, yes, you are going to get a training plan, you are going to get a meal plan, you're going to get all of these things. But you can't you can train perfectly. You can eat perfectly. But if your mind isn't right and your gut is fucked up, it's not going to work. And it's actually thanks to a client years back. And I just I'm just working on a video. It's thanks to her that I changed everything because she was one of my clients who furloughed everything to the T, and then it turned out that she was in an abusive relationship.

So instead of helping her with her training and diet, we just started talking and we were just talking and talking and she just needed to like, get shit out there and then realized I need to leave this relationship. And she did, and she is so happy. And now suddenly she looks incredible. Everything about like the weight came off, she's glowing. And it wasn't because she was training properly and it wasn't because she was eating wrong. It was just the mind wasn't there.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:57:26] Yeah. Nothing looks better on anybody than happy. Yeah. You know, when somebody walks in the room and they're just like, like bouncing, they're so happy. Yeah. That's always the person you want in the room.

Maaxx West [00:57:36] So. Yeah, yeah. Like my, my training program, I always try to figure out, you know, everybody's routines are different. Like, I like to do certain things at night and I do certain things in my car, you know, that might be different for everybody. So I always tell people, like, be sure that you write down your gratitude and be sure you have a certain night routine that would put you in a good state of mind before you fall asleep. And, you know, so it's more like that. I'm just helping them figure out what works for them not to do what I do. Yeah, because everybody's different, obviously.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:58:06] And that's the big thing. It's like, you know, there is no diet for people. There is no, you know, thing that works for you mindset-wise. There's nothing that, you know. So having a coach kind of walk you through some options and stuff like that has always been beneficial for everything we've done since I do. I read a lot of different philosophical thinking and that type of thing, and that's helped kind of push me down where I need to go. But yeah, it's always, you know, I have lots of friends. Stillman's about my, you know, I've got four or five other, you know, Jesse was a good friend of mine that as coaches, you know, whether it's a sales coach or business coach or whatever, this all of it was personal development. It was, you know, changing how you think and you know, where your mind is pointed that has the biggest influence. So it's good that.

Maaxx West [00:58:50] You're so that you think.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:58:53] That that's part of your.

Maaxx West [00:58:53] Plan. Well, I think a lot of fitness people it's so much about that's why a lot of people are doing this automated program thing. You know, you can make a lot of money, but I just somebody asked me, Why are you not doing this? I said Because I don't like it. It doesn't help people. And I said, I'd rather have fewer clients and charge them more money and actually make a difference because as a coach, I'm not here to tell you,

Oh, you should train exactly like this or you should eat exactly like this, and then you should exactly do this. I'm here to help figure it out with you. What is going to work great for you? Because that's what a coach is. I'm supposed to help you figure it out, not tell you exactly what to do. Because every single person is unique. There is no one freaking program that's going to work for everybody.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:59:47] Yeah, and that's always been my thing with, you know, when I start working on people trying to clean their diets up a little bit, I always say, What foods do you like? And people are like, Well, I'll just eat anything, you know, Tell me what to eat. I'm like, No, that's not sustainable. If I don't know what you like, I don't know how to make this thing work for you. And so that's been a big piece, is making everything work for that individual. Because, like you say, everybody has different, you know, allergies or drug things or, you know, so you got to put them all together individually. Trying to put everybody into one box has never worked.

Maaxx West [01:00:14] Yeah. Actually, one of my favorite fastest progressing clients right now. She's so. Like she's just so great. So I. And I posted a transformation about it the other day, and it's like a five week transformation. And she looks incredible and her gut is like fucking happy and flat and she's super happy and everything. And then I had other clients asking me,

Oh my God, why am I not making this progress? And I said, You are right. Because I asked her, because people say, Oh, but I don't want to have a cheat meal. I can stick to this. I can stick to that because I always ask my clients, what would you like to do? So I made her specific programs that she loves to go out for dinner with her husband every week, so she'll be faking it. And then she also said, Oh, my God. But, you know, I really like wine. I said, So have one. But she has it on that date and she can have after, you know, certain guidelines, but she can have that wine that she loves and she can have that dinner that she loves and she can do it every single week and it works freaking great. And she's so happy and everything just works so well. And then I have those other people that want to try to like, no, I'm not going to have a cheat meal and I'm not going to do that. And then they end up going over and like having a snack freaking several times a week and then they're not telling me about it. And then I find out later that they had an extra snack and then they freaked out and then they did extra cardio and then, you know, like the spiral of things.

And I used to be that person that would eat bad and then I would feel bad. I'm going to do like 2 hours of cardio. And these days, like, I don't really do cardio. I'm an actor more if I want to gain muscle. And a lot of cardio is not good for me. But long story short, like when I eat bad now, I don't feel bad about it. I just let myself do it. And I was like, That's great. Extra fuel for my muscle. I'm not going to go freak out and over a train and I'm just going to let myself do that. And in that way I actually want to do it less.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:02:07] So it's funny because on the day stuff, I actually make all my people quit calling it that because I'm like, I want you to earn it. It's a reward. Yeah, because the thing I've noticed is that when you say, Look, I want you to earn this day and it's a reward, more people tell me that they can make it because they're looking forward to rewarding themselves because cheating is a negative term no matter how you use it. So telling that you know, planning on cheating on yourself, planning on cheating in your diet doesn't build that mindspace that I like. So I always tell people that your reward date. It's so funny because.

Maaxx West [01:02:40] I like that. Yeah because.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:02:41] My.

Maaxx West [01:02:42] Oldest I usually call it a treat day actually.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:02:45] Treat days fine. It's just psychologically, I found that reward. You know, everyone understands that you have to earn a reward. So. Yeah.

Maxx West [01:02:54] So that's what I saw. Body Builder. Like, I don't really call it bulk season. I call it building season.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:03:01] Yeah.

Maaxx West [01:03:02] You know, so, you know, whatever feels better and sounds better.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:03:06] So I will tell you from that one, just as a guy and this might be a guy girl thing, but I like bulk because, like, it just relaxes my mind. Like, oh, I can eat like my diet just went up mass a whole big amount because I could eat anything else. So. Yeah, but the downside of about a quarter of the way through bulk, I was always like, I'm going to take this off sooner or later.

Maaxx West [01:03:32] That's all I did when I was in Texas. Now I purposely. Usually, I fly with my air fryer and I cook my own food and everything. So purposely I was like, No, I'm going to be a regular person for a week, not bring anything and I'm just going to figure it out and I'm going to eat out and do all these things. And I do. Then I immediately realized, take me two days to realize that I didn't like it. I don't like it at all. It makes me feel so good and so happy when I can do my own food that I don't even want to do it. So I said, Every now and then I do it like that. I was like, I don't even know how people live this way. I don't know.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:04:06] Well, it's funny because, like, you know, because I run so run a 22 two. Sometimes I'll be out with friends and we don't get to it very well. So I just, I usually won't eat that day. And you're like, Well, why don't you just eat something else? It kind of makes me feel terrible the next day. Not that I broke my diet and I feel that something the chemicals that I'm going to put in my body are going to make me feel bad for a couple of days. And so I would rather just be, you know, slightly hungry, then feel bad for two days.

Maaxx West [01:04:33] I do that, too. I get pain because of arthritis in my whole body and typically I don't have any pain and then I eat bad things and I so hurting. Huh? What am I? And people say I don't have any issues. Yeah, but you're 25. Wait, I have no issues until I turn, like, 35.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:04:52] Yeah, No, that's. That's always the thing. It's like, so. But that's. I talk about this all the time. If you're off a little bit long enough, it's going to destroy you. If you sail from Miami to Spain and you're off one degree, you're going to end up in a different country. So if you're 25 and you're doing all these things, the guys who are 30, 35, and 40 are telling you don't do. I did that. That messed me up. Yeah, well, I feel fine. Yeah, Yeah. I haven't I haven't done it wrong long enough that your body hasn't worn down to nothing. And so that's. That's the big thing. I try. I try. It's all these little, you know, the young kids, the 25-year-olds, they're like, I can eat whatever I want. I'm like, No, you can't.

Maaxx West [01:05:29] But then the same, How do you make them? Because even if you say it, it's I don't think they it's not like they don't believe you, but they don't understand it. Well, it can be about it.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:05:39] Well, you know that that's true, but a lot of times, even if they haven't felt it, the thing was the one thing I will say like everybody wants to. Ah, negative stuff out about the, you know, the generations blow them. But the guys who are in their twenties and thirties right now, like they can, they're willing to change their minds if you give them research. Like I have never had anybody just like argue tooth and nail and then you give them research and like still now like are like, oh, I didn't, I didn't have access to this or like, oh, I didn't know this. And they're like, All right, cool.

Now it makes sense. And I'm like, cool. And like, they'll change their opinion. Like, but that's, that's something I think that is very because guys my age, I, I have friends that are my age. I still give them research and they're like, I don't care what you say. And I'm like, it's not me. It's for different types of research. And they're like, Well, whatever. But the younger kids, I think, are getting to the point where they'll, they'll take new information and easier.

Maaxx West [01:06:29] Mhm. Well, I do a lot of talk about it because I have a lot of injuries from the past and I don't take any medication, I don't take any painkillers or anything and I work out and you know, things to my workout, like I maintain it really well the way I eat and I post about it a lot and people are always arguing, Oh, that's major bullshit, you know, injury this and I have this injury and it doesn't work. And I was like, You know what? It's not like, you know, you can look at all the pictures of all my injuries. It's not I don't have them. I have them. And then you see me and I am always happy and I have no pain, no, almost ever. And oh, but it's always people arguing with me.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:07:08] Well, it's.

Maaxx West [01:07:09] Taking it all up.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:07:11] Yeah. Did you try those things You did, You know, I just know that doesn't work. How do you know? Yeah, that's how most of it is. So. Yeah, but the, the, the one funny thing, you know, like I told you, I mentioned earlier that I just spoke to my head about videos and stuff. I know that, like, the rough stuff doesn't get to you at all, but it was really fun because you showed me that video of that girl who's excited to see you because.

Maaxx West [01:07:38] You're.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:07:39] You're her leader, you're her mentor. And that was fun to tell that story because that was that was fun for me to watch you get happy about something like that.

Maaxx West [01:07:47] Yeah. I had a girl at this competition in Dallas. I met her, you know, she was super excited and we took pictures and everything, and then she posted on her Instagram later a video where she's almost a little teary in her eyes and explaining, you know, how excited she was to. So she was talking about me first. She was mentioning other people, too, but she said she was it was so exciting. And she was just so just all over the place about, oh, my God, I actually met them in real life. And I was amazing. And I messaged her and I said, you know what? That's the way you feel about that. That's how I feel about that video. I said, That is just the sweetest thing. I even get goosebumps just talking about it. It's the cutest thing ever. And like, that is why I keep doing what I do. Because to me I said I'm no different than her. I'm just another person. Like, I don't I don't see myself as being anything more special than anybody else. And I said because I used to be her. And now she says that about me. And I was like, I am still that person in my mind.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:08:50] Well, it's funny because like, but you're also at the end of the road, right? That's everybody's, you know, whether people want to talk about it or not. If you're willing to go to a show, you don't want to do a show, you want to win and you want to win the whole damn thing. And so for a lot of women, a lot of people who are just getting into this, like your journey is the one everybody wants. And so, you know, you're they're you're their inspiration. So it's.

Maaxx West [01:09:13] Up to them to them they can both Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:09:16] Yeah. And that's I think the fun thing is you know because a lot of times it's people start to become champions and things like that. They, they recognize all the people who've been watching them the whole time, taking inspiration. It's kind of, it's kind of nice to see that when it when it finally starts breaking. So that's why it was so much fun for me to talk to you about that video. Because we were at dinner when that video came out. Yeah.

Maaxx West [01:09:42] If you ask him, I'm going to show that them because. Oh yeah, it probably was. Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:09:46] Because that's when.

Maaxx West [01:09:46] You showed it to him. Yeah, it was. But it says that, you know, it's also a long journey and you know, people there's always hate about things, but people are thinking, Oh my God, you know, after somebody wins and there's a bunch of should talk and whatnot and I was good people forget it. I turned 38 years old. So it's not like. It did that. And then suddenly I achieved all of this. And then, yeah, maybe my journey wasn't the actual competition a long time ago, but I always had big goals for myself and I kept working every single day. That, you know, it can happen sooner in life or it can happen later. But I also think no matter what age people are like, it's never too late. I said, I've even told people like, how old are you? I'm like, Yeah, I'm almost 40.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:10:37] So there's one more thing. There's one more thing. I always ask all my professional female athletes especially. A lot of women, regardless of what they look like, start struggling with body dysmorphia. And they think that you know, sometimes they think they look at something like herself and say, well, she's never had to deal with this. Like, I'm dealing with this because she's perfect. So real quick, walk us through kind of your journey on your body dysmorphia stuff so that we can kind of maybe let people know that the both are in is a lot bigger and a lot more fake than they think it is.

Maaxx West [01:11:09] Well, first of all, what is perfect anyway? I think that everyone's opinion on what is perfect is different. And I remember when I was younger, my dream in life was to look like a skinny supermodel. And I'm from Sweden and, you know, that's what we wanted to look like. So that's what I worked for back then. And then but then I think that I achieved that. I achieved that super skinny. I mean, if people have seen my before pictures and when I was that skinny, I thought that was great.

But now when I look at it, I was like, Holy shit, that's insane. And I wasn't happy and I wasn't healthy and now I don't want to look like that at all, but that's what I want. And I think that will always change. And these days I just want to get curvier and more muscular because that's what I like now. And it's not only about what I like, but how I feel. I feel incredible. And I think back then I achieved a skinny look, but I wasn't feeling great, so I wasn't satisfied. And now I'm always going to work for something, but I'm very satisfied. And now I like it when I'm lean, but I also like it when I'm thicker because I feel great. And I think that always changes. And a lot of people, if you know anyone who's on social media a lot, you get a lot of weird comments. People saying,

Oh my God, I don't understand why you look like that. There is no man that likes that. And then I'm just thinking, No, you don't like that. That's an opinion. Everybody has a different opinion and that's great and that's perfect. And we should have different opinions because that just means there's something for everybody. But and I said, if a person feels that way about me, that the way I look is just gross or whatever, they think, well, we're not a match anyway, so why does it matter? It doesn't matter because I will never be with that person anyway.

So I don't I don't care. I don't care at all. And to me, it's more about as long as I'm if I'm happy and I feel good, that's all that matters. So if I wake up in the morning or if I go out and eat shitty things, then I feel bad and I get very swollen and bloated. It's not so much what it looks like in the mirror that bothers me. It's the feeling that bothers me. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I don't care about shredded season or off or whether it's not bad. It's about what I'm feeding myself and how I feel.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:13:27] You know, it's always funny when you were saying, you know, there's no man who likes that. If there's one thing I can tell you about the male population, it doesn't matter how you look. There's a guy who. That's his thing. If you give me really fat, that's some guy's thing. Really funny, really skinny, some guys thing. So that's the silliest thing I've ever heard, is that there's going to be no guy who likes that thing. Exactly, because that's just stupid.

Maaxx West [01:13:50] But yeah, I hear that a lot. A lot of comments like that. But it's just it's always so interesting to me and I'm just thinking, yeah, that's your opinion and that's perfectly fine. You're entitled to have that, but.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:14:02] Well, thanks for coming on. I know it's kind of later where you guys are, so thanks so much for coming on, and hanging out with us. I will see you for sure at N.J. and we'll do some more live stuff there. So.

Maaxx West [01:14:12] Yeah, definite. Awesome.

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