The discussion centers on comparing vegan and carnivore diets, focusing on the superior nutrient density of carnivore options. Essential nutrients in steak are analyzed versus those in various plant-based sources such as soybeans, almonds, and lentils. The benefits of steak, including its high protein, iron, and B12 content, are highlighted alongside the limitations of plant-based foods, such as issues with genetic modification and phytoestrogens.

It is argued that while vegan diets can be supplemented to meet nutritional needs, they often fall short in crucial areas like B12, tryptophan, and leucine, which are more abundantly available in animal products. The conclusion emphasizes that a carnivore diet provides a more straightforward and effective way to obtain essential nutrients and achieve optimal health compared to the complexities and limitations associated with vegan nutrition.

Highlights of the Podcast

00:26 - Strength of a Diet
01:26 - Steak Nutritional Breakdown
02:57 - Soybeans Nutritional Breakdown
04:44 - Extra Virgin Olive Oil Nutritional Breakdown
06:32 - Pea Protein Nutritional Breakdown
08:35 - Almonds Nutritional Breakdown
10:14 - Peanuts Nutritional Breakdown
12:14 - Lentils Nutritional Breakdown
14:31 - Spinach Nutritional Breakdown
15:46 - Comparison and Conclusion
16:48 - Final Thoughts

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:04] All right. So it's like it's really about, vegan stuff. So I want to go back to this. I did this research a while ago. So I wanted to pull it up. So I'm reading some of this from my spreadsheet. If you guys have, done to work within you. I took a lot of spreadsheets. So I want to run through some of these things. So. The strength of a diet is going to be based on what the diet will bring without supplementation. I can supplement things up super macro for all that matters and so I can make a vegan based diet totally healthy with supplementation. However, that's not the strength of the diet. Truth of the diet is based upon the nutrients that it has in that. Which is why I'm a much bigger fan of carnivore than I am a vegan. Vegans. Very, very big with, Democrats and liberals, which is not what we're talking about. It's very, very big with medical personnel. However, you should never ask a medical person. Diet, nutrition, hormone exercise, wellness, none of those questions. So they're training, trauma, correct shot, stabbed, heart attack or having a heart attack right now. Medical wake up traumas. They're saying they're amazing.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:01:26] So I want to run through some of this stuff real quick. So I'm basing all of this versus just stick. This is not versus organ meats. This is not versus anything else. It's just sirloin steak. And this is 200g. All the all the things I do with science and, and nutrition is all a metric. So it's a better system for this. So we'll run through real quick. Protein in 200oz, 200g of steak, 54 protein, 28 fat, no carbs in fiber, no sugars. You're going to get about six milligrams of turkey ten 3.4mg of iron. 3.2 micrograms of B12, four grams of tryptophan, 4.5g of lysine, four grams of leucine. And you're going to be able to find it with no GMOs, no viruses. So the reason that I'm looking for these specific nutrients is obviously tons of nutrients. So one reason looking for these specific ones. Protein tends a major antioxidant. It helps fight off all sorts of free radical damage. So we're looking at lipid oxidation, which causes, to a plaque. And we're looking at cancer stuff. We're looking at, metabolic function actually produce ATP. So cookie is very important. Iron helps survive carry oxygen. Oxygen is very important for the brain and for the heart, and for every other metabolic function. So iron is important. B12 is obviously a big one for energy. It's very, very metabolically important. Tryptophan.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:57] The amino acid, it goes tryptophan for FCP. Mel. It's a serotonin for emotional mood, stability function, brain function as we think. And then we go to melatonin. So for sleep. So triptans very important. Lysine three lasted about two years as opposed to fight viruses. so that one's important. Leucine has the highest muscle protein synthesis factor of any amino acids. If you're trying to build muscle tissue leucine. So we're going to look for it. So that's those are the ones I have on here. That's why I have these on here. There's obviously other things histidine helps with, you know, inflammation and all the sort of things. But these are the these are the primary ones we're looking at because this is where printed in ten minutes. So if you start looking for the best protein sources, the best nutrient sources, vegans have to offer, soybeans comes up all the time. And from the numbers, soybeans are pretty cool. So 200g again, all of these are 200g. 200g of soybeans, 26g of protein, 14g of fat, ten carbs, one fiber, one sugars. Soybeans. So far fantastic. So going to great. Tricky ten. We're looking at 2.4mg, which is roughly, you know, it's obviously less than half the steak, but it's still a decent be ten, four grams, four milligrams of iron, which is fantastic. There's zero B12 in it. There's 4.4g of tryptophan, which is the same as in steak. So again, we're pretty good. Lysine we take it hit 1.6g instead of 4.5. Leucine 1.8g instead of four grams. Here's the big issue with this. According to the USDA, 94% of all soybeans in the United States are genetically modified. And they're all sprayed with glyphosate.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:04:44] So that by itself, for me, knocks these things out of something that you should eat. Now, if you don't care about life, safe European genetic modification, then, dude, I lots and lots of soybeans. One more problem. Soybeans. Massive phyto estrogen problem. So phyto estrogens mimic estrogens. The right produces, it can cause kind of a massive, it's to help retard, to restrict pull back, development of muscle tissue and things like that. So on the whole. For me, soybeans are something that I would stay away from, from the genetic modification issues, from the lifestyle issues, and from the estrogen problem. Also that the numbers are fantastic. I'm not going to argue the numbers. Numbers are amazing. Like soybeans. If if it wasn't for the genetic modification and the like I say, and the estrogen, I would be eating lots of sweat. It just isn't that far. So the reason I don't is because the other side, so extra virgin olive oil, is a big one. You're going to get no protein, 200g of fat and, 200g of carbs, zero fiber, zero sugars, 4.25mg of turkey ten. So we're great there. Iron 1.2 I didn't know olive oil had a lot of iron. I like this, zero B12 zero tryptophan, zero, lysine zero. Lucy. So you're getting some great fats in it. Like, Evo is great. For a lot of things, basing diet off of, it's not going to be something I would recommend. Pea protein. So, you know, a lot of times you look at vegan proteins, it's like, oh, okay. Hey, you know, pea proteins in all of the plant based proteins.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:32] So that one ten grams for every 200. 200. grams. We're looking at ten grams of protein, zero fat, 14 carbs, six fiber, six sugars. No cookie tin. I could find three milligrams of iron, which is actually pretty solid. Zero B12, zero trip to FAD zero lysine. Oh, wait. No, sorry. 0.6g of lysine and 0.6g leucine. So we've got issues here. Not not the best from a. Muscle function. Not the best from a, you know, heart function. Iron's great, like I said, but, so we separated in some of the nuts. Most common natural looking at almonds. Again. 200g, so 200g is about seven ounces. So if you're looking at it from a steak standpoint, sit it out. Steak is not a lot of steak. If you if there's a menu you said seven ounces of steak I would use something else on the menu because seven ounces steak is not enough for me to eat. It's it's a basically what I put in my eggs everyday. I put 5 to 7oz of steak in my eggs every day. So seven ounces of steak or 200g of steak is not a lot. It is a lot of all. And so, so 42g of protein, 100g of fat, 44g of carbohydrates, 24 of those are fiber and eight of them are sugars. So if you ten, you're going to get 0.8 milligrams iron, you're going to get seven grams, seven milligrams giant amounts of iron. So almonds are fantastic when they're iron level zero B12, point for tryptophan 1.2 lysine, three grams of leucine. So all in all, not terrible. Now, I do want to stop specifically at all notes and talk about one of the other problems we get into with some of the.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:35] A lot of the nuts and some of the stuff we're talking about. Veganism, fiber restricts nutrient absorption. What you have to understand is that what you put in your mouth doesn't mean it goes in your body. So from the mouth to the rectum, it's actually outside your body. And your body has 2 to 2 that runs through you. And the body has to suck the nutrients out of the stuff that's in this passage and put it into the light. So that's where the absorption comes in. Fiber greatly restricts the body's ability to pull things in the life. We looked at the research was on almonds. We look at eating cinnamon. You can go to of about 35% of the nutrients, specifically fats. Out of that, if you crush it up really, really good, you're going to get about 40%. If you turn it into basically almond oil or almond butter, you're going to get about 45 to 50% of the nutrients absorption. So you're not getting all of these numbers to begin with. With steak and stuff, you get a lot higher, absorption of the nutrients that are in it. So not only are the numbers on the page lower, the actual amount you absorb is also lower. So keep that in mind when you're looking at, developing your, your vegan, diet, peanuts, 52g of protein for every 200g, consumed, which is giant amounts, 100g of fat, 32 carbs, 16 fiber, ten sugars. To be honest, I didn't know that there's a lot of sugar and peanuts inside for that. But you know, that's still a lot of peanuts. Cookie ten 5.6. So we're still doing really, really well on, cookie ten for nuts, iron nine milligrams.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:10:14] So giant amounts of iron and, you know, that's no B12. 0.6g of, tryptophan, 1.8 lysine, 3.6, sorry, 3.4 on leucine. So we're getting leucine as well. So peanuts are not that bad. Giant fat content. However, like I said, you know, absorbing all of these things. Lentils. Lentils are actually by the numbers. Not bad if you're going for a high carb diet or if you're, you know, active as you're eating carbs, lentils are a great option. Lentils, 18g protein, two grams of fat, 44g of carbs. No fiber, no sugars. So if you're looking for something, if you're running a mixed diet, lentils are awesome. Like I would I would toss lentils into I do toss in a lot of my mixed diets. We're not going to run, like a keynote sort of stuff. I use little a lot. Lemons are actually pretty solid. Cookie, 10.6mg, iron 6.4. So. Say. So, 6.4 on the iron. Pretty solid. Noby 12.16 of tryptophan. 1.4. Lysine, 1.2 losing. So again, you're you're not going to get great amino acid function out of this. But from a macro standpoint, proteins in fact some carbs, pretty solid if you're trying to get your carbs in windows are great for that. Spinach. Some of the leafy green ones. Protein six fat, zero carbs eight. Fiber for sugars zero. Cokie 10.6. Iron 4.50. B12 zero. Tryptophan point four. Lysine. Leucine. This point four. Here's problem stitch 200g of spinach is about seven ounces. Most bags of spinach come between 5 and 10oz.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:12:14] So you're eating an entire bag of spinach to get these numbers. Again, everything's at 200g. They're big when we say oats. 34g protein, 14g of fat, 132g of carbs, 22 fibers, no sugars. No cookie, ten 9.4 on iron, which is smoking great. No B12 point for tryptophan 1.4 lysine. 2.6 losing. So again, 200g is a is about. Oh, twice. Two and a half times the normal serving size. So it's not a giant amount of oats like you eat this in the oats. It would be kind of a beating. This isn't Quaker Oats. So all of these came from, Harvard Research. So that's where they have all these report, USDA and Harvard research. So, when I talk about I don't like vegan diets, it's because of the lack of B12, tryptophan, leucine and cyclic and stuff like that. So. The idea that you can just eat this stuff and be healthy is is a stretch. Now, can you can you supplement with this? Absolutely. Like if you supplement collagen, which okay, if you take collagen, collagen is derived from animal sources. So you cannot be vegan to take college. That's not how it works. So if you're like, right, if I'm not going to be vegan, I'll be vegetarian. And I'll which you can in order to be vegetarian and and allowing collagen. But let's just say you're going to, that's it for all your amino acids. So now we're making more of a, of a, of a macro set from a macro set. Veganism is not that bad. But again, you got to supplement all of your super important amino acids. So all right, we're also going to bring in Koki ten. You're probably have to bring in irons. A lot of iron that you're bringing in from plant sources is not that bioavailable. The very best source in the world for your blood is from heme iron. If you if you eat blood, it's really good for your blood because it doesn't have to do anything. It's just like, oh, here's a component we make a lot of.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:14:31] So it's really easy for your body to make blood out of what? So steak is going to be probably the best. Even better in chicken. The iron in steak has to be better all the way around. All animal sources are going to be better than plant sources. Eggs are fantastic as well. I just wanted to pin this to one thing. If you're really looking for cook, you tend hearts is great. You're looking for, you know, muscle working synthesis factors. You're eating muscle like it's not going to be. There's nothing better like the creates in this. In steak, there's nothing better than steak. So your big meat machine runs real well off meat. So that's kind of the thrust of what this is. Again, if you're going to supplement with cooking ten iron and you're going to supplement with methylated B vitamins, which is, I think, across the board of things there. And you're going to supplement with collagen, you're going to supplement a lot of the, the failings of a vegan diet. Okay. Fantastic. Like I think it'd be great. But again, if you're supplementing it doesn't really matter. And diet right now, one of the reasons that people talk about how amazing vegan diets are is because like, well, what is this guy? He was super, this one, super unhealthy. And then they went to veganism and they lost all this weight. And they their their blood levels got better and everything was fantastic. Yeah.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:46] The same thing happens, but much faster and much better with going from the standard American diet to carnivore. The the problem is, is that it's not that vegan isn't so great. It's that the typical American diet is so unbelievably, horribly bad for you that almost anything is better. They actually reduce the processing in the foods to high, high glycemic function, the all the chemicals that are in it, all the fortifications, all the trash that we do to this food, all these extra weird chemicals. That's what's tearing your body apart. And so when you get rid of all those chemicals and you go to a, you know, plant base that doesn't have any of those problems and you're like, oh my gosh, I feel so much better all the time. Yeah. Because you're not poisoning yourself every single time you eat. Now, I've had a lot of vegans who've gone vegan to like, man, I feel a lot better going from my trashy diet to veganism. I know when I went from vegan carnivore, I felt so much better. Of course you did, because you're getting all the iron and you're literally getting all of the things your meat machine needs from the meat. You eat it.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:48] That's that's the whole thing is, you know, I've never understood. Why you would try to go for a meal. Okay, I'm going to eat this. Really? Lentils to get this thing. I made, this shiitake mushrooms. This thing. I mean, this is the of this the this and have these thing. That's this. So I've had this very, very specific, you know, 19 different foods that I actually eat to actually consume, to get where I want to go. Instead of just eating meat that has all the nutrients in together. So you can do it, it's just kind of a pain in the ass. And you're going to have to supplement, somewhere. And as soon as you start having to supplement the quality of your diet, it's an attraction. Because if you have to supplement. You know you're not getting nutrients for your food. So. So that's basically the whole thing. That's why I said that, you know, I'm a bigger fan of carnivore than I am veganism. Like I said, you can get it done with a giant mass. I don't know why you'd want to. So that's kind of that's that's that's the reason I said that. I'm not a fan of veganism, so I think I should have given you the questions. Dropping the comments for instead of questions at Thomas. One second. Thanks for your time.

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