The importance of personalized, integrative healthcare and the urgent need for a shift in traditional medical practices. It emphasizes how over-reliance on pharmaceuticals and conventional treatment models has overshadowed critical aspects like nutrition, genetic testing, and holistic care. By addressing root causes of illness—including inflammation, toxicity, and nutrient deficiencies—profound improvements can be achieved in chronic health issues such as autism, ADHD, and autoimmune diseases.
The conversation also critiques systemic issues in modern medicine, such as the lack of informed consent and the rigid adherence to protocols that ignore individual variability. It highlights how holistic approaches, combining functional medicine, personalized nutrition, and detoxification, can transform patient outcomes. Additionally, it advocates for a collaborative, team-based approach to healthcare, prioritizing prevention and promoting long-term well-being.
Highlights of the Podcast
00:01 - Introduction
01:05 - Medical School Curriculum
02:16 - Dr. Bain’s Educational Path
04:23 - Personal Health Challenges
07:17 - Impact of Nutrition and Environmental Toxins
17:32 - Vaccines and Informed Consent
20:04 - Functional Medicine Approach
34:22 - Challenges in Traditional Medicine
55:32 - Integrative Solutions for Autism and Chronic Illness
01:08:38 - Preventative Health and Upstream Medicine
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:01] All right. Well, let's get started real quick. And so we have walked through this. I do want to tell you that. And then we're going get to the vaccine thing later because I'm really excited about it. But I do want to say that that's pretty impressive, that, you know, we don't have a whole lot of people with the intellectual curiosity, the education or the resolve to stand up and question everybody. And so I applaud you for being that person. So I'm excited about talking about that. But I love your book. It's fantastic. I was able to read it in the day. It was great. So when we start talking about the medical bottle, the box of race, and let's kind of start by kind of going down how that kind of starts off in medical school. Are you guys there's a lot of things I think are left out of medical school, like nutrition and physiology and things like that. Are you guys specifically taught to ignore those things or is it just, you know, pharmacology is all all we have? Like, how is that set up?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:01:05] So first we get a huge amount of physiology. It's just we're not quite what we're what we're taught with. You know, say nutrients, for example, is very, very minimal. We're really taught a diagnosis and then a treatment plan that's either going to be of, you know, identify there's going to be a drug that we need to know that we use for that condition, or there's a procedure, whether it's a surgery or some kind of injection or something.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:01:40] So less unless there's a drug or a surgery. You guys aren't in medical school, aren't really taught anything about that. Anything other than drugs and surgery.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:01:50] Not when I was in medical school. Now, I know that, like the Institute for Functional Medicine that I got certified in, I know that they are now in several of those universities. However, you actually have to sign up that you want to do that route. And if you don't even know about it, then you're just going to say, I'm going to, you know, do the medical thing and I'm going to get out of school and then I'm going to go practice.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:16] So speaking of that normal path, you've taken the longest educational path by choice because you went you went to your normal med school, which was four years for you. And then you did the pediatric specialty, which was how long? As a pediatric specialty.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:02:32] Then that's an internship for a year. And then two more years of residency.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:40] And then you worked in a normal medical pediatric clinic for how many years?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:02:44] Ten years.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:45] And then you decided to go back to school and learn all of the functional medicine stuff.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:02:50] Functional medicine and then board Certified and integrated. Madison, which is kind of unheard of because I read a textbook twice that the best textbook I ever read. And as a pediatrician, I had to know everything about adult medicine, too. So I expanded my knowledge hugely that yeah, and then I got homeopathy certified.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:14] And so how long did all of the integrative medicine certifications, all that sort of stuff take? How many years was that?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:03:21] gosh. I mean, they were all sort of I had them was separate. It took me I had to go to all different states at that time. Now, I think they have a lot of online programs, but it took me probably two, maybe two years, plus four of them. And then it was a self-driven, integrative medicine that I had to do a full. Exam. Like just like I do the American Academy, Pediatrics, the American Board of Pediatrics, same kind of certification exam. I had it. I had to do for that.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:56] So. So it's basically med school all over again. Another, you know, 3 or 4 years, of course.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:04:01] So, yeah, certainly, you know, the back story of the why behind. Yes. This is.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:04:08] Well, you know, there's a lot of people are going to see this who don't know the backstory. So go ahead and go through the back story of what it was that made you leave the medical, you know, normal medical model and go into the massive amount of education and stuff you had to do. So kind of walk us through that.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:04:23] Yeah, sure. So during that ten years of working at this other corporate practice, I had nine neck and back surgeries for herniated disk. And then I had breast cancer at age 39. So it was a very stressful job. I had kept going, you know, leave of absence to get well, came back, you know, full load of just treat street kind of practice and volume driven, that whole thing. And when I had breast cancer, it was sort of this moment where I felt I faced mortality. And I it's I went honestly into shock. I left after I was told I had cancer. Stage three. Be I was supposed to die from it. I took a three month leave of absence, had chemotherapy, radiation. I did everything the system told me that was suppose we were supposed to do, but I was sicker after all of that because of all of the toxins that they just pumped into my body. And I'm a big juice plus fan, for example. And I started taking juice. Plus while I was going through my radiation treatments telling me those people look like zombies in this in this cancer center. And I was just bopping in, getting my radiation and leaving after I had certainly all the chemotherapy part. It was worth it was a horrific it was horrific. And certainly wrote the book that you certainly endorsed, How the Chiropractor Saved My Life. You know, very grateful for all of that teaching. But then I expanded my tribe to not only chiropractors, naturopaths, holistic nutritionists. I consider all of those people my colleagues. And that has helped me be a better physician. I am a very good listener and have a whole lot more tools in my toolbox to to to treat people and cure them.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:23] That's kind of why I wanted to do this this podcast series, to let people understand that you have to have a health care team. You can't have a person doing everything. And there's a lot of different ways and ways we can look at a problem and we can attack it. So, you know, that's it's funny to me that, you know, that seems so logical, like, that makes lots of sense. And yet that's not that's not how a lot of people want to do their stuff. So, you know, I'm glad that we're all working on that. Now, I do want to talk about you mentioned in your book about how toxic our food is and the dyes everything. And so that. Do you see? This is something I talk about a lot. Do you see that the toxicity that we have in our food, in our environment, is making the mothers sick and then messing up the children all the way through pregnancy in gestation? Is that something you're seeing with the nutritional deficiencies and that type of thing?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:07:17] I think every generation is getting sicker and you know that pregnancy does play a big part. If mom's on medication, if she's if she if she has gut issues herself and she's not absorbing her nutrients and she has her own toxic burden, I see this all the time in children when I get my nutrient testing back and heavy metal testing back, like the metals didn't come out of the blue, they had been somehow transferred or, you know, from some kind of environmental exposure.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:07:54] Yeah, there's a video called Smoking Teeth and you might be able to still find it online. But what they did was they took sheep and monkeys and they gave the mothers mercury fillings and then that's all they did. And then they tested the offspring. After they did that, after that, because they were not pregnant when they put the fillings in and then they got the animals pregnant and they tested the babies when they came out and they were all full of mercury. And so it's kind of that whole track of, you know, the mom carrying this thing through. So exactly like you're talking about, we're all getting sicker because we're letting our eyes get messed up and toxic and we're trying to think we have healthy babies on top of that. And that's that's.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:08:33] Problematic. But then when they're breastfeeding, that's a natural detox of the mother clearing those things through the breast milk and it's going straight to the baby.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:43] Yeah. And that's yeah, and that's that's where a lot of this you know, because people come in, they go, well you know, I'm healthy and why is my kid not healthy? Is like, well, you're actually not healthy and that's problematic. And then you're feeding, you know, we're pushing all these things into the kids. The foods that these these kiddos are eating as well has been. We're talking about that a lot. Now, RFK is coming out to talk about the food dyes, the additives and things like that. How much of that do you see creating these chronic illnesses that other people are amassing with drugs in your practice?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:09:17] I mean, I see new patients every single day and they're either, you know, autistic autoimmune, severe head to toe eczema, asthma, ADHD, you name it. And the back story on them, because, you know, they fill up very extensive paperwork just to actually be on my functional medicine schedule. But the we get diet history on them and their diets mostly are just crap. They self limit. They're not eating, you know, fruit and vegetables. They're just eating a bunch of carbs. So that's I mean, I tell that story back to them and it just contributes to that overall burden. Then you have the genetics on top of that that are not necessarily stellar for detox. And then, of course, they're getting I tell people that anything that you put in your mouth. Whether it's food or whether it's drugs, anything you put on the skin that's chlorinated swimming pools or makeups and things, detergent, anything that you inject into the body or anything that you inhale, like anesthesia or polluted air, all that's contributing to total body burden. And so I can tease all that out with nutrient testing and food sensitivity testing and do all of that. And then I get the real picture. So, yes, they're coming in with that, but they're also there's actual real tests to figure it out. And I use my science. I use my physiology that I use that biochemistry that I hated. Yes, I did that. I use that daily to get people. Well.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:10:55] It's amazing how important the biochemistry is. Like, I think we all we all have PTSD from learning the Krebs cycle. But it's a it's amazing how important the hard stuff is.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:11:05] It's a daily, a daily lab. I look at it as the crazy. Yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:11:10] Whenever I walk through people through metabolic health, I'm like, you know, this is how it works. And they go, okay. Like I've talked to docs, in fact, all sorts of people. And it's funny because you'll get people who are who have had, you know, physiology, education, stuff like that, and they're like, Is this the Krebs cycle? And like, yeah, they got I hated that. Like, I know we it takes a minute to learn, but it's super duper important. We do a lot of DNA testing for methylation, DNA testing. And it's kind of funny to me how how obvious that physiological breakdown piece is that it's just completely abandoned by bond modern medicine because there's no drugs that go with it. I know that you talk a lot about m t v h, r and DNA functional testing. What are some of the big ones that you're seeing that is just like a methylation, like a B vitamin helps fix, but people aren't looking for like what are some of the big ones that people need to start looking for?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:12:03] Nutrient testing.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:12:05] New DNA or nutrient testing?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:12:07] Either one. Sure. So, I mean, they are super depleted in all their B vitamins. Every day I see a huge amount of omega three deficiency, which is super important for your brain and the skin. Honestly, I see a lot of I back to that processed food. I see a lot of glutathione deficiencies. And with this whole, you know, we're one of the countries that has not been banned Roundup, which is glyphosate. And what I see instead of the, you know, a lot of people use an Acetylcysteine or NAC as a precursor to glutathione. But what I'm seeing is it's glycine deficiency right now because glyphosate at the binding structure looks like glycine. So it's actually displacing the glycine. So you're not able to make your good decision, which is from cysteine, glycine and glutamine. So I see all the time kids can't detox because of their genetics. Empty bars, you empty mutations. But the more mutations I see, the more significant their autism is, I think, or they're autoimmune or whatever it is. Anxiety, depression. I see a lot of that.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:13:28] So we see that's one of the big things we're trying to do with all of our patients is get them cleaned up and detox. And a lot of this stuff is it's harder when we have these genetically modified and specifically put on, you know, like the glyphosate that is displacing and keeping things out. Fluoride is another one of those that, you know, jumps in their muscles, the thyroid. But there is a there's a lot of very simple function. You mentioned your book several times about taking people off of, you know, going gluten free and going dairy free and how much of a massive impact that has. Because again, I thought it was you did a great job of illustrating the glycine lack or the the glycine issues in the cosmic life asset. And I think that's a very, very, very real thing to look at because we've always had, well, how is this actually hurting me? And that's how it's keeping your body's chemistry from actually working the way it's supposed to. So whether that's intentional or whether that's just a side effect, I don't know how the herbicides are designed to work, but, you know, on the on the plants. But I do know what it's doing to the people. And I think that's a very, very big, poignant piece. The corn, though, people are talking like, well, what how is the corn problematic? So is it just an allergy or is there something specific with the corn that you're saying?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:14:47] I think. Any food? That is genetically modified can just not be recognized by the body very well. You know, I don't take everybody off corn and I just do food sensitivity testing and and recognize that this is just not resonating with your body very well. But it is genetically modified. So you're born in your soy and your wheat products are probably the most inflammatory foods. Of course, you know, it's in everything, right? High fructose corn sirup. Yeah, everything.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:19] So the one of the questions I had was just kind of an interesting thought, I think, because normally, you know, dairy shouldn't be something that we consume. So many people have problems with dairy. There's a lot of these cows are being fed this GMO corn, this GMO wheat, these, you know, that type of stuff. And and then we we go through and we destroy the milk. We pasteurized it, we homogenize it. We do all that type of stuff to it. Do you think that there's some carry through with some of that, some of the corn and some of the stuff through the cow into the milk? Is that is that one of the problems that we're seeing or is it the chemical function we're doing to it or is it all of it? Like, is there any ideas what's going on?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:15:58] I don't have you probably have more in-depth knowledge about that. I just know I think it's all the above. We live in a toxic planet. We just, you know, we need to get back to real nutrition, you know, have a lot of families that are homesteading. Now, you know, I have my own organic garden that I tinker in it. I raise healthy kids and I raise healthy plants. And you do.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:29] A little bit more than tinker. You're a pretty solid gardener. I've seen the stuff you do. It's it's it's quite impressive. You spent years figuring all that stuff out. So that's. That's an impressive event, So.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:16:38] Well, the most exciting is actually keep them. I still have my tomatoes growing. I still have a lot of peppers and my serrano peppers and it's all flourishing back there. But like, please don't freeze, please don't raise sheep.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:52] Every day so you don't freeze yet. You certainly know that.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:16:54] So it's on top of that.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:57] Well, well. So one of the things I do want to make sure we get into is because this is one of the things I think a lot of people are going to and they have questions about. And I think one of the things that irritates me the most is, is the stuff on the vaccine stuff, the idea that man has created thousands of chemicals that don't hurt anyone in any way, even though we're allergic to, you know, nuts and pollens and stuff like that. But these don't hurt anybody. When you see people who come into your practice with this. Exmouth has autism and things like that, how do you start? How do you start to deal with that type of stuff?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:17:32] So when I. When I recovered from all of the trauma to my body, I designed something called the cycle of illness and the seven hours of healing. So I had that specifically in the book for anybody. It's called Living Out of the Box Changing the Face of Health Care. I had my report of this nutrient testing next to a kid who had severe failure to thrive and eczema next to a kid who had autism. And the epiphany moment I had is that you can't tell us apart on paper because the body can only be inflamed, infected, nutrient deficient or toxic, overloaded, or a combination of all those things. So I just take a big breath sometimes when I get a horrific head to toe exam, a kid looks like a walking skeleton and having snow like sticks skin all over my my bed in my exam or a butt or I have no cancer survivors, children who've had leukemia things. I basically go back to the cycle of illness and say, you know, all these ideas are lumped together. You have otitis, sinusitis, bronchitis, rhinitis, dermatitis, encephalitis, all the motor tics and seizure disorders and ADHD, autism. If that's just the end result, then I kind of take people through, you know, we've got to fix the gut. You know, we've got to look at foods, food sensitivities. We have to look at nutrient deficiencies. So I tease all that out. And then my treatment plan is wrapped around replacing nutrients that they are the that they're missing, you know, giving them digestive enzymes, fixing their gut with probiotics or eliminating foods that are not helpful for them right now. And that's how I kind of take everybody through that that journey. And I'd see a lot more cures. And I don't use a lot of medicine, and I don't think that we are Ritalin deficient. And I don't think that we're steroid deficient either. And I tell lots of stories in that book that hopefully people could relate to and say, that's my kid. I could help everybody from every state, but I can have that book travel to where it needs to go, get into the hands it needs to get into and say, I know this kid is autistic. Maybe they can do X, Y and Z to get him better like that kid. So.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:20:04] And that's that's that's one of the really fundamental things is trying to get the information out so people can get help. And that's been, you know, as would I most all the stuff on how I was dealing with Covid and it crushed my social media for it sort of to say getting the information out has been very, very difficult. The the medical community has not been very excited about talking about homeopathy, chiropractic, know, nutritional stuff. They were they were they were less than nice to you. And a lot of this stuff as you were trying to bring that information forward.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:20:40] So and in my infancy, before I got all those extra initials behind my name, I was called a clerk by the very same program that I train under from some I guess those physicians. I don't even know who. I am much more respected now. And they call me an integrative medicine specialist now in Frisco. So when I have reports from people, I think that it's a little bit different.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:21:14] So they are turning around. The ideas are good.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:21:17] Yeah. And I think integrative medicine is here to stay. You cannot refute my results. I might not be able to fix everybody, but I can certainly have better tools in my toolbox and have a whole integrative team approach. And that's really bringing forward in that in that book. It's, you know, I say things if you think that there's only one way to treat something, you're both arrogant and ignorant. And that is a true statement and it's hard for them to hear. But this book is also motivates. You know, the call to action is for people to step up to the plate and understand that we need to work together to collaborate.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:22:03] It's hard fixing some of the stuff. The thing I like to and I'm a research guy, so I like I like all the research you put in this book and all the all the all the other quotations. It's like, Hey, look, I'm not just making this stuff up. Like, here's the research that backs it all. One of the things that's in here, and I quote some of the stuff, but one of the things that has irritated me for a long time is this the lack of recognition of things when we when we've had SIDs for a long time and these babies just, you know, they go to sleep and they don't wake up. That's that was that was part of what my problem was with my epilepsy for a long time was that I was damaged by a vaccine and nobody could figure it out. And when I did my sleep studies and we figured out, I don't breathe right, what we start what I started looking into was the damage to the pons that that that regulates for everybody else who doesn't know that the pons regulates you breathing when you're asleep or passed out. And so. Yeah, it's the brainstem. Sorry. Thank you. Yes. Except that that helps the brain.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:23:07] The functions of your body. Yes.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:23:08] Bring it back down. And the autonomic functions. And what a lot of these things are showing is that, you know, when we had SIDs, you know, it was one of the things were like, it's sleep apnea. These kids are just not breathing anymore. And then they were like, no, that's not a thing. And then when Sads came out after the Covid vaccine and people were dying from that and like, it's still apnea, it's damage, encephalitis that damages the brain. And one of the things that's in here, you said Miller states that although there's considerable evidence that a subset of infants has an increased risk of sudden death after receiving vaccines, health authorities eliminated prophylactic vaccination as an official cause of death. So medical examiners are compelled to misclassify and conceal vaccine related fatalities under an alternative cause of death classification. So they're not even allowed to mention, hey, maybe this might be from a vaccine as part of the cause of death is that this is where I'm basically going from this.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:23:59] That was that was new to me when I read all of that. When I was doing research for this book, I uncovered a lot of information that I didn't know. And then Fact Checker seems to be sort of like a censorship. As soon as you say something that is not an acceptable idea by the community, then. It's fact checked and called wrong. So.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:24:30] So my question is, is that, you know, because what it seems to me so I've been kind of on the outside looking in, being like, you know, we should we should investigate these things a little bit more. It seems it seems, though, the medical industry, which is seems to be in they say they're based on research and stuff like that. It's very, very hesitant to even look at the idea that maybe vaccines aren't perfect and flawless and, you know, only too good because in instances like this, they're saying you can't even act like you can't even think that a vaccine could have caused this problem. And so this type of censorship, this type of, you know, restriction, I think is aiding in the in the problem that we're having of not identifying toxic functions and things that maybe we need to start looking at.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:25:15] And it's science. Okay. So I am not anti-vaccine. I'm pro personal autonomy, body autonomy and true informed consent. So it goes back to me at the end of the day, vaccines or drugs, period. You can be you could react to a drug. You can react to food. You can react. You know? You can overdo working out. You can overindulge. You can overeat. So but the sacred cow of the vaccines, we're not allowed to touch that sacred cow and say it's causing any harm. But I go back to a liver detox that I also have in the book. Look, if you don't have enough nutrients on board, you have crappy genetics that doesn't allow for you to detox well. You can't do the one size fits all. Everybody gets everything all at once. That's why I'm a big proponent of early testing, you know, early genetic testing. You know, we need to know what the risk is because I have heartbreaking stories of people coming in that they wish they could have had that moment back. A new two year old. My practice, that post Covid, there were four vaccines that that two year old got on one day and they only needed three. But the doctor said not why inconvenience yourself? We'll just go ahead and give the fourth one, too. And that kid went fully autistic, nonverbal. Mom's been kind of recovering. She put him on a gluten free dairy. Free. She found me. And we've gotten testing, so he's kind of a newer person in my little my patient list. Two year old beautiful twin girls also came to me fully vaccinated and they both declared autistic. And they're too young to get testing done because they can't get a urine sample for me. But I put them on an all inclusive multivitamin probiotic, a homeopathic to stabilize their chronic reaction mode and glutathione. And another new patient who knows this family reported to me this week. The twins are doing amazing. And they are getting verbal and they're recovering. And it's just simple nutrition. It's that you got to get all the nutrients in. You got to help them detox. It can be if you want to get the vaccines, you can get the vaccines. What why can't we just slow down a little bit? I have others that don't want vaccines at all. You shouldn't be afraid that somebody in my practice isn't vaccinated when you're vaccinated. So but it has to be personal choice and doctor offices that are forcing people to get the standard vaccine schedule and firing them if they don't, I think are wrong because that's not true informed consent and that's not respecting the parents needs. And nor does the American Academy of Pediatrics support. Firing people for not vaccinating the doctors offices are doing them.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:28:32] The doctors offices are doing it because of the kickbacks they get for having 90% of their practice vaccinated. The. Yeah. So, you know, it's no longer medicine, it's profit. And so, you know, I always tell people, yeah, just like you said, it's, you know, health has good chemicals and bad chemicals out. And if we're going to, you know, again and it's funny cause I had this conversation with somebody yesterday, one of my patients is going to become a missionary in Africa. And there and so we had the conversation about getting vaccines before they go over because there's some really bad things over there that we can kind of knock out. So, again, neither one of us are necessarily anti-vaccine. It's just is the body ready for it? Like, is this going to be more of a harm than it is a help? And so I think that's that's kind of missing out on a lot of the stuff. What I don't understand is you've seen it. I've seen it. I've talked to moms. I've talked to got thousands of moms in the past decade where they were like, my kid was like this. Here's a video of them playing and talking and singing. And then after the vaccine, they're laying on the floor and they can't do anything. And, you know, I took this to my pediatrician and they said it had nothing to do with the vaccines. And my question is always, how many times do you have to see that to go? You know what? Maybe there is some correlation. And I don't understand why people aren't willing to have the conversation again, outside of the the kickbacks and the sacred cow piece. I that just it's always blow me away that you can't recognize.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:30:01] That we took an oath that said first do no harm. And you know in the 80s you know there were, you know 6 to 8 vaccines total starting at age two. And now there's there were just there were 36 in the first two years currently. Well, that's before they added the RSV and the Covid in the flu shot starting at six months. There's you know, you have over 50 vaccines before your five. And I just feel like. Why do they need them all? You know, there's just too much. And it's so arbitrary. Like you can get one prisoner done at age two and you're considered up to date. But if you start him at two months, you'd have to have a prisoner to 4 in 6 months and the booster between 15 and 18 months for vaccines versus you're good to get two. I mean, get one at age two. To be late for school.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:31:05] Some of the stuff that I have never understood. And I know that people ask this question all the time. I just don't think we've gotten any kind of solid, real answer on it. This is the question I ask. A lot of times people tell me that they're going to you know, you'll have kids in the hospital and stuff like that, which I'm still a big fan of, have my kids in the hospital. But is that be because a lot of the research is showing that you have to get it in, you know, 2 or 3 years again anyway. Have these sexually transmitted? Why are we giving babies Hep C? Is there is there a valid medical reason for this?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:31:39] Well, I mean, in the past it was given only if mom was hepatitis B positive. And then it randomly it just kept on getting moved up into the schedule. And then they just started saying, well, you know, we've. I guess, saved one more one baby from hepatitis B because the man got the vaccine. It's no big deal. Or that the baby got the vaccine and no big deal. I just feel like now they don't they don't trust that mom's happy negative status is real. Because she could be a false negative. That's where. That's how crazy it got. You're wrong. You know, Mom, you're wrong. There's a possibility you have it, B, you just don't know it yet because you tested negative.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:32:27] So. So. So Mom is wrong. The testing is wrong.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:32:31] Yeah, we'll.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:32:31] Just do it.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:32:32] Anyway. We'll just do it because it's fine. And. And then so what they're telling the the parents in the hospital when they're getting it in the O.R., when the mom just had a C-section, I quit a hospital locally because they were making me sign an order that said that I agreed with hepatitis B given in the first 30 minutes of life, and I crossed it out like a good doctor and initialed it. Said only after first exam by doctor through informed consent. Instead, Dad would have at least one of these patients that up in a family of mine in the hospital. The mom was in the O.R. getting her c section sewn up and stuff. Dad was signing the consent form, and I came in around the next morning. I'm like, Why didn't your baby get the baby? And the mom just looked right at dad and goes, What? And he's like, I panicked. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was signing. Is that your informed consent? No, absolutely not. I was so livid. And I would say, what? This is not right. Okay. You guys need to I mean, regardless of where all of us stand on vaccine and I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people, but I'm just saying that you need to know what you're putting in your body. You need to know what you're putting into your kid's bodies and you need to have true informed consent. And you should never be coerced into making any sort of decision. You're not going to consent to a surgery unless you have been read the consent form. And, you know, the complications, the potential complications for that surgery. That's true. Informed consent. And when doctor's offices are saying it's time for your two month or four months or six month shots and they're not telling you what you're getting, that's not true. Informed consent. And that is not okay.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:34:22] I think the thing that several things in my life have hardened me against this this path. And I think one of the biggest ones was. So when my wife was pregnant with our first was saying I had to go to Daddy boot camp and I was told specifically, you're going to go in, you're not going to say anything and you're not going to argue or ask any questions. And I was like, Have you met me? But I went anyway. And I think the thing that was that really pushed me over the edge was when the head of pediatrics for Baylor in Frisco stood up in front of a roomful of men and said, If your kids get the measles, they will die. If you do not get them the vaccine and they get the measles, they will die, which is 100% a lie. That one bothered me. The CDC even comes out and says know, you know, 3 in 1000 people who get the measles die, but they don't die from the measles. They die from dehydration or pneumonia. And 66% of them, two thirds of them die from the dehydration. So that piece irritated me. And the next thing you told us was that if we don't get the chicken pox vaccine, they'll be sterile if they get chicken pox. And I was like, you just said that to a roomful of men who were born in the 80s. Every single one of us had the chicken pox and were in the room because our wives are pregnant. Like, how can you stand up there and say that to people with a straight face? And so that's where a lot of my irritation has started coming from. And then when I we started seeing kids who came in here who had full blown accident or autism or obvious neurologic issues, and they would go back to their pediatrician. They'd be like, well, that, you know, it's been proven over and over again that vaccines don't hurt anyone in any way and they don't cause autism. They don't cause I, they don't cause these things. And so anyone who's telling you that is a liar and a quack and you shouldn't be dealing with that. I heard this from parents over and over and over again, and that's always irritating to me when, you know, these people are saying, hey, there might be a problem here and they're being shut down by other people, they're going to ask questions to it. So that's I am I am very biased because I've seen this happen and it happened to me. It's happened to patients I work with and I care for. And so that's where my anger in the process comes from. I'm I'm deeply, deeply happy that I have people I can work with, like yourself. Who knows who's taken the extraordinary amount of time to learn the physiology and learn the biochemistry and actually be able to help these kids. And so it's a hot topic for me because I feel like it's one of those things that's I feel like we're we're in the in the middle of the 80s, we're like, hey, guys, I think these opioids are actually addictive. Like you kept telling us they're not, but I'm think they are. Like, I feel like that's kind of where we are right now and we need to have another conversation about what's going on. So I'm happy that we can kind of go through some of these things.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:37:10] And I wouldn't I wouldn't call me angry at all the system. I mean, certainly I'm still here because, you know, I've had, you know, all my limbs work. You know, I had a great surgeon who put me all back together again and didn't create some nerve damage that, you know, was not repairable. There's a time and place for the drugs and the procedures. So the take home definitely is not, you know, a being and all of that. But I feel like I was since I was a patient as well as a physician, as well as an enlightened physician, I feel like I was compelled to write this book because because there were the pattern recognition over and over again is is real and it's not quackery. And the physicians need to to not be so compartmentalized in their treatment approach that you can eat whatever you want and we'll just fix your skin, We'll give you the steroid, you know, referred to the GI doctor for your constipation. I may have an autistic kid right now that he was severely, severely iron deficient. His ferritin was, too. I sent him to the hematologist. Nobody checked his ferritin. Iron deficiency causes mental retardation. It causes developmental delay. No one checked it fair to the level. So I got him to the hematologist. Was the hematologist Want to do all I wanted? Like I'm the super specialist here, I'm integrative. I'm helping this kid and all these other labs are doing well. We're going to refer you to the GI doctor. And he was set up for to get a scope, to get celiac testing, to get a thyroid testing. Like what the heck, Mom, run from that. Do not go to the GI doctor. There was no reason. I need to just stay in your lane, get your I.V. infusion of iron, and then we're going to fix the rest. But when we refer to all these different specialists and you don't have that pediatrician that's actually running the show, then you're just going off to all these people are making money on your second.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:39:22] Yeah. And it's the the amount of oxygen such a big thing like. Well take a look at people all the time and they'll come in like, I don't know why I'm so tired. And we pull our hormones and our CBC team. Hey, now make your hemoglobin. Hematocrit levels are within the range, but they're very low. We bring those up and all of a sudden, like, I feel a lot better. And it's funny because they're like, Well, I talked to my doctor and there's this drug on that drug. I'm like, Are you eating any red meat right now? Like, okay, let's just change your diet. The easiest way to get iron in you is to eat iron. So let's let's do a little bit of that. And it's amazing how people are, my energy is much better now. I've changed my diet. And you mentioned in here several times about the amount of kids who are on a just a giant high carb diet with zero nutrient function in it and how they're all they all seem to be sick and and again and I have to also preface I'm not against vaccines. I'm also definitely not against carbohydrates. But these processed empty high glycemic carbohydrates are like cereals, for instance, are destroying people's health. And no one seems to be like you are, but no one else seems to even be giving it time of day. Like, you have eggs me of 80, we'll just give you drugs. Not well, what are the chemicals you're putting in your body on a daily basis? Like no one asked that question like you do, but very few other people do.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:40:40] And then you have to go through phase one and phase two detox to actually get that drug processed out of the body. So you keep adding more drugs and then they have decreased appetite because the ADHD medicine is suppressing it. And then they have all of these drugs that they have to process and then they're not eating food processing and then they're not getting the proteins, which are your building blocks for your your muscle, your neurotransmitters. You got your gut health, not 70% of the immune systems in the gut. So when you've just killed it all off with, you know, five courses of antibiotics for all those ear infections, you know, all this is that are related.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:41:16] So the new research on depression and antibiotics is, you know, people are like, this is amazing. I'm like, how is that amazing? If you kill the probiotics, you can't make serotonin. Serotonin is important. So, you know, it's again, it goes back to the biochemistry. Like you said, it's the it's the chemistry that we all hated when we were going through school. But it's the most important part of what we do. So, you know, the I see people all the time. I see teenagers all the time. It's just I don't know why it's mostly teenage girls, but it's mostly teenage girls who come in and they've had, you know, series of antibiotics for years and they were put on birth control when they were 13 or 14. And by their 16 or 17, they've got mood issues, they've got skin issues, they've got anxiety, they've got all sorts of things that, you know, the parents come in. yeah, they have all these things. And we're looking for a psychiatrist to deal with this and to make. Have you have you ever looked at the guy? Have you ever looked at the DNA function? Have you ever looked at the physiology of the body? But and this is, again, why I'm so excited about your book, is that that's what everybody's been taught. You just go find the next pill. Go find the next injection, and that'll obviously fix you, you know? And I remember going back to, you know, it was a well, in all the commercials when diet and exercise fail and I'm like, did you try that? Did did you did you try diet and exercise? And they're like, well, I mean, that requires work. And, you know, you know, it's you know, I'd rather have a pill.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:42:42] So when I heard like 90% of all the ADHD medications is used in the United States.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:42:51] That does not surprise me at all.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:42:53] You know, it's our diet, right? Like the cereals here are all the artificial dyes. But if you go to Europe, you know, the same breakfast cereal is certainly completely different tasting because they don't have any of the artificial dyes.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:12] I'm I am personally very, very excited about RFK coming in. And the idea that we're going to start removing some of these dyes and some of these chemicals are getting these things moved out. I'm thinking this is that that one thing is going to create changing the food, let me put it that way, changing the food, not just removing the dyes, but changing the food all over. I think it's going to help tremendously. But I think that we've kind of moved and this is where, you know, Covid was so bad for so many ways. But I think the thing that it gave us was we all decided we were going to start talking about stuff, even the hard stuff. And we started talking about seed oils. We started talking about dyes. We started talking about, you know, how cholesterol is actually really good for you, has nothing to do with cardiovascular health.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:43:57] It's the inflammation that's the problem.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:59] And Exactly.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:44:01] Vascular disease. So the cholesterol is good mother word. Yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:44:06] Yeah. Well, the funny thing is, is that, like, I don't think people understand what inflammation is like. I was talking to people. Inflammation is when the chemistry breaks and it doesn't work right anymore. That's when we get inflammation. If we can put the chemistry back together, the inflammation goes away. And that's that's the whole point of what we're trying to do is restore the chemical balance, which is the nutrient balance to the body and get everything back we're supposed to be. And then you've done such a great job of illustrating that over and over and over in the book that you like these, you all have all these things. And then I do Trint testing, and I found that they were nutrient efficient. They gave them the nutrients back and they got better. It's like they're.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:44:41] Really.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:44:42] Like, yeah, I love your I love your detox pathway because I think the seven hours and the direct pathways, I think it really illustrates the people, the critical need for just returning to basic physiology and returning to, you know, getting our chemical chemicals and chemicals out. There's the other thing that I have several I have several bookmarks on your in your book that I, I loved, one of the ones that I definitely wanted to touch on because this is the thing that I deal with all the time and you deal with this as well. It's when your mom told you it's a good thing you could afford to get well from your cancer. And this is, I think, where a crux of a lot of the problem is if you really want to get better, you've got to pay for it. Like you got to pay for this nutritional testing you do. You got to pay for, you know, the supplementation. You got to pay for the better food. But, you know, a lot of people, when they look at this like it's so expensive to get to get and stay healthy. And the answer to that is the my my my return on that is that it's not if you look at the whole long list, if you can take me, it's who cost me this much money to get better. And that's going to cost me this much to maintain it versus how sick I'm going to be, how low my quality of life is going to be, how miserable I'm going to be, all the drugs I going to do all the procedures. I got to do all the time off work. I got to take all the time off my family. I got to take. That's the thing. And so I think what we really need to do is reprioritize, because I have met, you know, outside of my practice, I've met so many people who've gone to you spent the extra money to get the real information taken, the stuff you've recommended them to buy and take. And they've gotten phenomenally better. And I think that that's something that we should we should start mentioning as well, because.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:46:25] You know, I think upstream medicine is really the key. You know, you want to fix things before you're fully broken down. You know that cancer did not just happen overnight. You know that degenerative joints that whatever didn't happen, it was years and years of building up to that so people can make little changes early. Slow down vaccines. Don't take all those drugs. Don't take that antibiotic. Let your immune system do its thing. I think you're going to find the the the long term damage that could happen would have could have been prevented.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:47:05] Now, I will say on that, you know, as much as we talk about doing these things, it's it's easy for you and I because we understand the system. We understand how the body works. I would I would. That's the problem. What we have to find is, is how do we find somebody? Because like you and I can't take care of everybody in the United States. So how do we find the people who we can rely on to do this stuff? I mean, you've written books and so they can read your books and they can, you know, take the solvency recommending. And, you know, but if they needed somebody to walk them through, you know, how do we find these people to to help us out? Because the normal pediatrician is not going to be like, hey, normal pediatrician, I don't want the antibiotic. What's the alternative? They don't know of any alternative. So how do.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:47:50] They call colloidal silver? Like, what's going to. Turn you blue, right.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:47:55] That's there was there is a guy there's there's like there's there's a there's a medical doctor who has a YouTube and he's like talking about his medical knowledge. He's like colloidal silver junk. It doesn't help anything. I'm like, you're using cordial silver in the air all the time.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:48:10] Correct? Like in the indwelling catheters and the feeding tubes, all of that impregnated with silver.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:48:17] Yeah. And I'm like, how are you bashing on some things on a daily basis? You just not know. And that's the thing. They just don't know. And that's, you know, so how do we find people? Because the last thing you want to do is ask somebody, Hey, you're in charge of my health. I don't want what you normally do. What else can I do? Because they're not going to have any other options and they're going to either make something up or tell you everything else is junk. So how do we find the people like yourself? Are there websites like, How do we find the people who know what's going on?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:48:47] I mean, I trained through the IFM, so Institute for Functional Medicine so they can look up a them dawg and just do doctor Finder on there. The problem is so many doctors do not take insurance. If they are in the functional medicine world. They have cash practices, which is fine. I, I wanted to keep an insurance based practice. If you have insurance, you should be able to use it. I feel like more and more doctors, if they're losing patients to people like integrative people that get it and will slow down the vaccine schedule, for example, maybe they'll come around. I hope that that. Somehow there's an awakening in the medical community to say, well, okay, first there was, you know, whatever, eight now there's 36 others. There's, you know, how many, you know, vaccines, when is it going to. When are we. When is too much too much? And my gosh, what are we doing to these children? No. And yeah, unless you're motivated, like a lot of people, to go into integrative medicine, they have they have a back story that they get well, because of integrative medicine, because of chiropractors, because of naturopaths. But so many people are indoctrinated into that system. And that's a big problem. You've got a group of eight. They're looking for another pediatrician. You're going to join the team. But guess what? You have to do what we say. And we say this is this is how we work. And. That's just the unfortunate thing when corporations are buying up little offices and then calling all the shots and you have no autonomy. So.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:50:28] And that's that I think, is one of the biggest, biggest issues we're getting into because, you know, we look at the standard of care and that's a very high standard. Well, that's just the standard of care. Like, I'm just doing what I was told. And the problem is the standard of care takes a long time to change. And the people who set the standard of care have influences that maybe not be best option for the patients, but maybe the best options for pharmaceuticals or for hospitals or industries.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:50:53] Well, I think superior care is what integrative medicine is. It's more preventative care. We didn't throw out what we learned in medical school. We actually embellished learned more. And we're not just trying to, you know, say party line, this is what we do. We have we are very intelligent. We need to use our brain and we need to, you know, invent and and evolve in medicine. Didn't just. You know, arrive. And this is what we do now. And we don't do anything else. You know, nothing would ever be invented if we just stopped it. Standard of care. We need to push the envelope and in question I think one of.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:51:37] Well, so I'm I'm a giant surgery fan like I think I don't think anybody should get I just it's always just blown away how amazing it is. You know, the things that some of these orthopedic neurosurgeons can do is just spectacular to me. But one of the things I find hilarious you mention in the book back in the day, like one of the biggest thing that's happened to surgery as far as health healthwise goes is when they figured out they should wash their hands and wash their tools. And I love the story, as you put it here, The guy who was like, Hey, hey, guys, maybe we should wash our hands. Maybe people would die less and get less sick if the doctors would wash their hands. And they drove this guy to an insane asylum because they were like, Washing your hands is the dumbest thing we've ever heard of. And I was just like, this is I feel like this is where we are right now. We're like, Hey, guys, maybe we should look at this thing over here. And they're like, You're stupid and crazy.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:52:30] Right?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:52:31] So it's like it's like, Well, how about we look at stuff and then decide we're crazy? How about we do the research and then find out that we're wrong? Like, I'm down for that idea, but just deciding that, you know, off the cuff, well, we do this this way, so we're wrong. Like the thing that's wrong about the surgeons is that the way they used to do it was they'd have like nine surgeries in a day and the dirtier and bloodier, nastier their aprons got. It was like a sign of pride of like, this is how many surgeries I've done today. But what you also saw was that the first guy would survive and the last guy would never survive and nobody took a stop. The term is like, I wonder why that is until like Pasteur finally came out and was like, yeah, there's these germs and bacteria. We got to we got to figure this out. And then all of a sudden we're like, okay, maybe we should wash our hands. But that was like, how many years was that was a long number.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:53:17] He gets all the credit, right? And then this poor other guy, you know, is dies and is silent because he was beaten by some guards in the in asylum.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:53:29] So I think is the funniest reason I might have gotten this wrong. But he died because he got an infection in his hand that ended up killing him from the beating. And I think is that's the most ironic thing in the world, because had he been able to wash his hands, he would be fine.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:53:44] Yeah, I know. I loved digging in all this research and putting all that putting references at the back because I wanted doctors to read this book, too. I want them to open their minds to other possibilities and they can go look up that deal I number and they can read that research paper that, you know, fact checker, for example, there's a research paper on this aluminum that post Covid vaccines and 72% of the time, I think exceeded the safe amount of aluminum in children they read in ketchup schedule. So that same article, if you go to the pediatric news brief that it was quoted in that or in the little news brief, a little paragraph, the fact checkers said aluminum has no problem. There's no problem with aluminum. And so they basically refuted the article. And those busy pediatricians that are going to go read the news briefs and go, somebody's already read this article. They already claimed that it was wrong, so I don't have to go to the article. Is that insane? That's insane to me because I look at the news brief and if I were to stop there, I would have just said, okay, 11 times on an issue. But so many researchers are coming out saying aluminum, Aluminum, women. Yeah. No, no. Doesn't matter. It's just adjutant. Well, adjuvant is an adjutant to the immune system. So if you're agitating an already inflamed immune system like your eczema kids like your leaky gut, kids like your seizure kids like any of their motor tics, it's an additive because it has to be put into the vaccine to have the body make a reaction to that piece of particle that they call the vaccine. So, yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:55:32] Well, the funny thing is, is that you take that and you're like, Well, how come it works different people differently? Well, there's different DNA functions. And then, you know, you go back to mom. Yeah. You go back to mom. And this is one of the things that I try to work really hard on is when people are like, Hey, we're thinking about having a kid. We want to get pregnant. I'm like, okay, you guys need to come in and let me clean up mom. Like, we got to do detox on Mom. We got to do DNA on Mom. We got to make sure that she's got she doesn't have to be h r c o t and tr like any of those type of issues. If they do pick them back together, go through the exact type of thing that you're talking about with the with the detoxification of mom. Clean her up, get her back where she needs to be. Because I tell you this all the time, like the mom is the factory in which this baby is built. If the factory's dirty, we don't have like we you're going to be you're going to put baby together with the best options you've got. The best options you've got are tainted with heavy metals and with, you know, all these different, you know, bad chemicals. Mom's eating and drinking. We change the diet, the whole deal. You know, there's a new there's new studies are coming out on aspartame. And, you know, mothers who drank like one Diet Coke a day. You know how that is reflecting into autism and how it's, you know, because it's like, yeah, if if mom has a bunch of toxic chemicals in her, the chances that the kid's not going to be able to withstand an insult, whether it's whether it's an airborne allergy, whether it's a food sensitivity, whether it's a vaccine or another drug or whatever, like these things are the problem. And so, yeah, I think that's the that's the piece of education. We need guarantees to be, right.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:57:04] And, you know, when autism was 1 in 10,000, in the 70s, I came out of residency in 1996 and it was 1 in 1000, in 96. And now in 2023, it was 1 in 36. So we didn't throw out. It didn't change our genetics. What did we do? Increased every toxic burden to these children, whether it's through the mom, through the food, through the antibiotics there, all the drug exposures of every sort. Across the board. Somebody needs to be questioning. And then, of course, we are in very smart people in my integrative world I live in. All of us are questioning, but that we should be able to question. We should not be censored. We should be boldly question. This is the I mean, this is the next generation. There are 25% of our current population and 100% of our future of these children are. So what are we doing?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:58:06] Well, one of the things you mentioned in here that is, I think, a scary thing to realize is that sooner or later the parents of these autistic kids are going to die. Right. And what are we going to do with all these very autistic children? Like, obviously, they have to go to the state. Like, how are we going to deal with all of these people once their primary caretakers are gone?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [00:58:26] And I think, yeah, I've had old enough kids in my practice now that are they just turn 18, 19. I had to actually do the the guardianship forms for them. And it's really sad because we don't know what's going to happen to them when the parents die. They're going to stay as long as they came with a parent. But then what?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:58:47] And a lot of these parents soon, I'm guessing soon the next decade are going to get to the point where maybe they're not dad, but they don't have the physical capabilities of taking care of these people anymore as well. So this is a very real problem that we're all going to deal with very shortly. And so, you know, I think that's something we should also be able to sit around and talk about. But that's that's the science sciences. That's always what's funny to me is, you know, people who are who are branded, you know, anti-vaxxers or whatever are also at the same time branded anti-science. And we're like, science is literally asking questions like the scientific method is set up to how you ask questions. And so asking questions about anything is science. And so, you know, the idea that we should not ask questions about anything, you know, that that that tyrannical this is the sacred cow, as you say, we're not allowed to talk about or ask questions about. This, I think is one of the more dangerous things that we could allow ourselves to get into, whether no matter what it is, whether it's, you know, things, you know, whether it's the drinking water, whether it's our our electric cars, which I love, my electric car or whether it's, you know, whatever it is, like we should be like cell phones, like, I love my cell phone. But I think real questions to be asked about, you know, frequency damage and things like that. You know, so there's a lot of questions need to be asked that we're not we're not being allowed to ask. And I think that is the scariest piece of what's going on with the actual model that I think you and I are both trying to push back against, because, again, it's not the neither one of us are against vaccines or against surgery or against drugs. A lot of those things are super important. I talk about how antibiotics have saved millions of lives over the years and they're super important, but they don't need to be used every day. And so that and that's another thing I think is coming out like a lot of these traditions since you've been in practice, even the medical situations are starting to scale back on antibiotics are they're not.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:00:43] I can't speak personally for them. I can speak to the urgent cares that it would come into the urgent care and they get prescribe over and over getting them out of there. So I don't think it's changed much because then they come to see me like the next day. And my mom, this kid has RSV because we tested for it and your kid does not have any ear fluid. Your kid does not have an ear infection. And so you don't need that antibiotic that they prescribed. So I don't think it's as good as you.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:01:13] As I was hoping.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:01:14] And as your hope. I don't see that right now. And they certainly but they're not saying, do colloidal silver. And, you know, some of the supplements I use, I see the reports from out of the urgent care and they they get it all wrong. They think I'm putting Brier rose in the ear.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:01:33] But my favorite thing for that, I tell people all the time for ear infections is they tell me, like most of the time, it's not an ear infection, it's an ear inflammation. Because ended up happening is that the lymphatic duct got clogged and now it's irritating. And so if you adjust the ear, it'll drain. And, you know, the vast majority of time, you're fine.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:01:51] So to do that in my office all the time, I show the parents how to do an ear adjustment. Good. And we do lymphatic massage as I teach them how to do that. Put a little bit of essential oil and, you know, put some garlic oil drops in the ear and you're golden. So, yeah, we don't need a systemic antibiotic to treat those most of the time. And most of them are viral.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:02:12] And I've seen. Yeah, that's the other side I've seen I've seen so many people come in here and the kids, you know, three in their gut has been bleached because they gave him like five rounds of antibiotics for an ear infection. And they're like, it's not helping much and we don't know what to do. And the other thing that also is irritating with the antibiotics piece is that and again, I actually really like antibiotics where they can do, but no one ever covers it with an anti yeast and then a probiotic like that that pieces that that piece is obvious and not ever done. But all in just the ear ear infection goes way and then they're like, great, we're dynamite. We haven't even started. We have to reset this kid's gut. We've got to rebuild all the gut flora. And so, you know, that's always the second piece, which again, you do that a lot. And that's I'm very grateful for that.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:02:59] And just a little clinical pearl if you think that there's an ear infection, the best way to tell is if you tug on that kid's ear and the kid comes unglued and has a fever, that's probably legit, your infection, but you take it on that ear, so you're adjusting it. So you're actually helping. But it's also so it's therapeutic to do that ear adjustment, but it's also a diagnostic. But it's like, turn on the ear. I'm in the office, this poor little kid, and they start screaming, I'm sorry. Well, but maybe it does need an antibiotic. You know, I think.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:03:37] We are.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:03:38] What am I? You know, before I go to a doctor.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:03:41] It's even the same. The co-pay. At least one of the things that I've always felt bad about was we'll get kids in here all the time with colic, and their doctor would be like, There's nothing you can do for colic. And I'm like, it's we've massage that all the time. It's the colic is where my more favorite things to fix because the parents are there sort of in their new parents. They come in, they're all disheveled. They haven't slept in three days. They're stressed out. The most important thing in the world to them is freaking out. They don't know how to fix it. And I'll work with them. And like more often than not, not every time, but like 70% of the time, they'll the kid will like your work out the spasm in the tube and they call in and they'll kind of calm down, relax and fall asleep. And typically, people like him, they can't hear. What do we do now? And I'm like, Well, the kid's going to fill at least one diaper, so keep that in mind. But if the kid's asleep, you should go home and go to sleep too, because you guys definitely need that. And it's just it's always hilarious to me. Yeah. And that's one of those things, again, like you can teach a parent to do that. And so like it's always irritating to me that, you know, they're told, Well, there's nothing we can do. And they give them Miralax or they give them something else to make that's not well.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:04:50] And most of the time colic is just that. Colic is a symptom. Colic is a symptom of mom's diet, most likely dairy, something a lot of times gluten, some other things. But and just I see you call it a lot more in the C-section babies because mom's giving antibiotics. She's not taking a probiotic because the doctor never told them to. And so mom's not digesting her food. And then a baby's being partially broken down, proteins develops colicky symptoms and head to toe rash that is very obvious by a month of age. So we can prevent that eczema by teaching the parent early on what foods likely are causing the you know the culprit. Yeah it's simple stuff but.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:05:38] Yeah it's again we you say we say that to people but it's because you've spent we've spent a decade reading about it.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:05:46] So okay. Ten years of being a regular straight standard of care pediatrician but 19 years doing integrative medicine. I think I'm way smarter this side of that.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:05:57] Well, that's why I say it's like it's like, it's it's very simple because you and I read the same things over. Like we do all the research. We're like, this is somewhat like a way to tell people like, like, you know, it's like, it's, it's like the glucagon pathway. Like why people have been getting hurt with gulps. And I'm like, it's a it's a simple pathway. That's just it's just the way the glucagon function works. And like it's very easy or like when I talk about, you know, gluconeogenesis function, it's because we've we've read it so many times, it just makes sense to us. But I understand how other people don't haven't taken the time to get the education you have. And so it might be a little bit more perplexing to them. So but changing their diet is when I think one of the one of the biggest things. But it's also and I think this is why and this is my opinion you. You've been to medical school so you can tell me. I think that's one of the reasons that they're not taught nutrition is because if we don't use nutrition, they have to use drugs. And so that's that's the path of. That's what that's what I feel like. That's what medical school is being is doing, is teaching people to use drugs instead of teaching people to fix the body.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:07:03] Yeah. I mean a a long time ago when the medical schools were actually created, you know, they kicked out the naturopaths and all the other, all the other alternative people that we all, I mean they were all kind of in one group before and so it was more. Big pharma teaching, you know, paying for grand rounds, paying for our food, that when we were on call and in the hospital doing the E.R. shifts and all that. I mean, that was my training. I'm not sure how it is now, but, you know, we were poor medical students and food talked and we. Yeah. Right. And it's just the way it's set up drug procedure, you know, diagnosis code. And that's what we're taught. Now, if you went to a major past school, you're taught a whole other different set of things. If you're, you know, doing chiropractic, you're doing a whole other set of things. But if you're not faulting the medical schools, I'm just going to open our mind to all these other people to integrate. Into our treatment plants.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:08:14] And now you mentioned that focus on medicine. Integrative medicine is starting to make its way into the standard medical schools, even if it's an elective right now. So I'm excited about that idea. Do you foresee integrative medicine making it to the standard like medical school? Is this how medical school is? But now we're going to teach integrative medicine in the standard Medical school. Do you see it that way?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:08:38] I do. I mean, I think it has to, because we're going to bankrupt our nation with all of these sick people. It's got to change.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:08:51] And that's that's where that's where a lot of my frustration actually comes from, is the we have the information. And if we would just teach our doctors that we be good, like the amount of cardiologists I talked to who tell me who look at me like I'm crazy for saying that statin drugs aren't the way to go, that cholesterol is not the enemy. They just like me. And I'm crazy like I'm dangerous for for mentioning that idea. But the research has been out for a long time, and so it's just getting it through the schools.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:09:17] I mean, Dr. Houston, huge integrative medicine cardiologist, he wrote a whole book on this. And he is the one that taught us at the AFM. So I them is amazing. And there's thousands of people who are read who are certified by the AFM. And that's that's the exciting thing. That's what 2000 We don't know how long ago I did that, 2016, I believe I got certified by them. So yeah, that's the exciting part. I think more people are going to choose that route.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:09:55] Yeah, you know, there's, there's a lot of people talking. There's some doctors who are out talking about how they didn't learn nutrition in medical school, that they didn't even know that you could prescribe. As a doctor, you know, an HSA as an insurance for exercise and for nutrition. And that's the conversation that we're starting to have right now. And this is why I'm so excited about your book and why, you know, I wanted to talk to you on the podcast is because the more that the I think, like you said, as as far as the market drives it, that's where we'll go. And so if the if the parents are coming out, they're like, Nope, I only want to see an AFM doc or, you know, like we're going to go this route. Like, you know, we'll do the vaccines, that's fine, but we're not doing an expanded schedule. We're only going to do the ones we really need. And here's the reason why. And we get more and more, you know, doctors who like, okay, I'll I'll give you body autonomy. I'll give you, you know, informed consent. I'll give you those things. I think it's the market dictates that. Then I think that we're going to start to see health care change. But until people have got to see that there is another option, like like you say in your book, I don't think people are going to start asking for it because I don't think they know that there's another way. And so that's why I was super excited about this book, because it's one of those things where someone needs to stand up and be like, Hey, guys, let's, you know, let's not abandon what we've done, but let's add the new things. And then maybe, you know, maybe temper the amount of things that we're doing in the past versus the new stuff. So I'm hoping it gives me a lot of hope that, you know, you're telling me that the integrative medicine is starting to make its way into the medical schools proper, and so we can maybe use more education. So that is that is fantastic. So so okay, so where are you on social media? Like how like Healthy Kids Pediatrics and in Frisco, but where are you on social media and books and that type of thing?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:11:44] Are you saying that my book is available on print, on demand, on Amazon? The living out of the book, Living out of the Box. Changing the face of health care. But we're on Twitter and LinkedIn and Facebook, all the things.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:12:00] What's your what's your what's your handle on this? What's your what's your name on your your social media?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:12:06] Just tell the kids pediatrics.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:12:07] Obviously. I think it's cool. All right. We'll make sure that we link to those things so that people can can find you, because I'm sure a lot of people are going to have questions and need some some direction. So hopefully they can start finding like, don't, don't, don't call and ask her if they know somebody in Tuscaloosa. Just look it up. But you got you also you guys do telemedicine as well, do you not?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:12:31] I do. So I have people from out of state that do come to see me. They have to just have their initial visit basically in person. And then we can do a lot of the things remotely on the tell them and do on my lab reviews on tell them ahead, which is nice. Yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:12:49] And then you can ship them the stuff, the supplements and stuff they need so they get the right stuff.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:12:55] I have an account with some places that they can order directly from. Perfect.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:13:01] That's perfect. That's fantastic. I'm super excited for all that. It's a it is a and I think I think it's kind of even more ironic that the system is so broken that it's been stunning to me. Like, I hate UHC for a lot of other reasons, but to see the the approval and the of of what's going on with this assassination of the CEO, which is unacceptable in every way around. I think it's very, very scary because I think it's a glimpse into how how much of a powder keg this is becoming, how how really pissed off everyone is at the idea of how how expensive and how broken our medical system is. So I think this is a very poignant time for this book to come out. And I hope that people start reading it go, there's another path outside of the crazy. So I'm very, very happy that you wrote this. This is this is a really great book. So. Well, if you guys have any other questions for Dr. Bain, you guys can reach her on on her social media is healthy kids pediatrics and we'll we'll we'll try to post this on my site so there I can see it it's not gonna be on YouTube because like we said, the things on YouTube, you have to agree with the CDC or else you don't have to have it on YouTube. So we'll have it on my site. We'll have it on my substack and we'll make sure that you guys have a link to it. We can put a referral where you see. So is there anything else that you wanted to any point points you wanted to make, anything that you want to make sure people here understand when they're looking for their health care team?
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:14:44] Just never stop asking questions. And don't settle. Don't feel too pressured into any medical decision. Regardless of who that doctor is. You need to partner with that doctor to make good health care decisions for you and your family, not just be like in the moment. You just have to accept something that in your heart you don't feel is right.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:15:16] Fabulous. I think it's a I think it's a great piece of advice for everything all the way around. So I think it's very logical. So thank you so much for spending some time with us. And I hope that this type of thing is your your book definitely going to help some people. I hope the podcast can help some people to start asking some questions and start getting their health where it needs to be. So thank you so much.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:15:35] Thank you. Great to see you.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:15:38] Yeah, talk to you soon.
Dr. Deborah Z Bain [01:15:39] Okay.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [01:15:39] Bye bye.
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