The importance of chiropractic care and advanced therapies in sports medicine for enhancing performance and preventing injuries. Techniques like dry needling and spinal decompression are highlighted as essential tools for addressing muscle dysfunction, soft tissue recovery, and acute disc injuries. By targeting trigger points and improving blood flow to injured areas, these treatments help athletes—both professional and amateur—recover faster and perform at their best. Proper biomechanics and injury prevention, especially in teenage athletes, are also a major focus, as imbalances during growth can lead to long-term joint and knee issues.
Innovative therapies such as hyperbaric oxygen therapy, ozone injections, and peptides are discussed for their ability to promote healing, reduce inflammation, and oxygenate tissues that lack sufficient blood flow. These treatments, combined with education on movement and form, are vital for optimizing recovery and performance. By addressing injuries early and incorporating these cutting-edge therapies, athletes of all levels can minimize downtime, prevent chronic issues, and maximize their physical potential.
Highlights of the Podcast
00:12 - Introduction to Dr. Camille Reagan
02:22 - Working with Professional Athletes
03:35 - Dry Needling as a Game-Changer
07:51 - Spinal Decompression for Acute Disks
12:15 - Teenagers & Injury Prevention
16:40 - Chiropractic and Proper Form
21:30 - Concussions in Athletes
28:00 - Advanced Therapies: Hyperbaric Oxygen & Peptides
34:55 - Ozone Therapy for Joint Healing
40:34 - Advice on Chiropractic Care
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:01] So I will jump into it real quick.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:00:03] Awesome.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:04] It's a kind of runs through, kind of like what you do, who you are, like kind of your whole bio thing real quick.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:00:12] Okay. Awesome. Well, I've been in practice for a really long time. So long that I don't like to really admit it because it definitely ages me. But we're going on 25 years already. And ever since I was in school, I knew I wanted to have a sports emphasis in my practice. And so everything I did when I was younger was to to to get to that place. One of my mentors told me very early, if you wanted to work with athletes, you first had to be an athlete. And I was athletic my whole life. But in my last year of school, I started competing and doing some fitness and bodybuilding competitions, and that just kind of led into being around lots of athletes. And it was through some of those experiences that I got involved with Parker College after I graduated and the Pan American Games got to go to the Olympics. And from there, you know, connections just kind of build upon connections. I had started a practice already and it was growing as well. But I'd always had traveling part of my practice as well, and that was something I really enjoyed to do. Kind of gave me a little extra something to, I don't know, just it was just it was always this interesting. It kept me on my toes, kept me learning, which I always really enjoyed. And then from there, I started working with USA Triathlon. And once I had kids, I decided that that part was going to be a little too tough to manage the international travel with two little kids. But fortunately at that time, as just the world had it for me, I started working with more NFL and and then NBA athletes that were more local in the Dallas area. And then, as you know, in sports, people don't stick around in one location for long. And so after that, I was really able to kind of follow different athletes around to different parts of the country and just kind of go go where they are. And so it's been it's been a godsend. It's been a really it's made for an interesting career. Made for an interesting, exciting life. And it's something that luckily my boys really like sports, too. So it's it's been a fun it's been a fun roller coaster.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:22] That's fantastic. Yeah, we do a lot of stuff. It's always fun because I work on lots and lots of normal people that I work on. You know, some of the some of the legends and that type of thing for a while and having, you know, having a six foot four person on your table versus a seven foot tall person on your table. Yeah, well, it is a lot different.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:02:38] So it's a lot. It's daunting at times. And people look at me and be like, how do you. Because I'm not that big of a person. Work on these guys that are seven foot, seven foot two. And I mean, I do obviously a lot longer sessions with my athletes, but with some of those guys, you know, you work for 20 minutes and you just made it to a knee because their bodies are just so long. But but I enjoy the challenge of working with those guys because they can see anybody. A lot of times they have done different things. And so for me, it's just makes my mind work a little harder. And, you know, we're all just just puzzles. And so it's a good time to be able to put the puzzle together.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:19] Yeah, it's it's always been fun working on on high end athletes because it's it's that last 1% you know it's that last little piece that, you know, we're all trying to get back together. The so you do a lot of how often you do dry needling because that's been a big thing that I've really enjoyed lately.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:03:35] Yeah. You know what? I have started dry needling probably about 14 years ago and it has been an integral part of my practice. I would say I needle probably close to 80% of my patients to some at some level. Right. Some are much more like a calmer method and some are more of a true trigger point around niggling what includes a little bit more stippling kind of approach. But I have found dry needling to be a huge asset to my my toolbox. There's times you just need to get a little bit deeper and then what my thumbs can do and it's it's just honestly, it's been an amazing tool. It's been a really cool tool. When I was working with USA Triathlon. I had several athletes. We would get together for these World Cup events and it was before dry needling. Was that popular here in the U.S. And we would, you know, have these conversations, what are you doing for this? What are you doing for that? And everybody would respond with, I'm getting that needle. I'm getting this dry needle. And there was so many times like I what is this dry needling thing? And then I did this big, this talk with, like, the World Congress of, like, international students. They're like, what are your thoughts on dry needling? And I'm like, okay, this has happened too many times, is getting too repetitive. Like, I need to figure out what this dry needling thing is. And as it had it, I was doing a a little internship at the Olympic Training Center, and there was a girl there who was a deputy, a doctor out of a physical therapy, and she was doing dry needling. And so I got to see it firsthand and got to talk to the athletes that were getting it done. And hands down there, like were a lot of people who, like, really loved to get needled. Everybody, hands down, love the results of dry needling. And so that's when I decided I really needed to find a way to add this to my practice. And luckily, obviously in the state of Texas, it was something that was within our scope of practice. And so I sought out some people that were that were teaching at the time. And since then, I've kind of taken different courses on different methodologies within the dry needling kind of spectrum, if you will. And yeah, absolutely. Game changer when it when it comes to different types of soft tissue releases and things like that. I love it.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:54] Yeah, when I first had it, it was I had this stuff. My shoulder was going to end up in my Oxford ad with Through the needle and it was one of those twang. Ah. It was. You could feel instantly relief. Sounds like the greatest thing ever.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:06:07] You don't know if you should, like, laugh or cry or what you should actually do when you first feel that way. It's but it's definitely enlightening. And and it doesn't always obviously have to hurt, but and some people just tolerate needles a lot better than others. And it's hard to know which one those people are going to be. I have had literally some of the most like tattooed like if you're on the top ten most tattooed athletes in the NBA, you know, you got a lot of tattoos. And I've had these guys, they like, nah, I don't do needles.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:38] But you do.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:06:39] Look at your body. But it is a different kind of feeling. It's a different type of experience. So. But hands down, don't know what I would do without needles in my practice at this point in time.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:51] And it's funny because like when people start first year about it, they're like, I don't want needles. I'm like, It doesn't hurt. It feels weird. Like what? You feel like. I'm like, I can't explain it. You just have to feel it. But you know.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:07:00] It's so true. I always say it has a high energy factor and it's because it is. It's it's just a little like boogie. It doesn't hurt, per say, but it's just, I don't know, a little unsettling in a way when you feel that involuntary kind of contraction. But regardless of that, the the benefits so outweighs the the ugly factor that we feel when we when we actually experience any like for ourselves that I think, you know, hands down if you haven't tried dry needling if patients that are watching us haven't tried doing it I think would definitely be something to consider adding to their their routine because it's it's really a game changer.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:07:42] It's a pretty solid piece. So how much so I saw that you also did a lot of decompression. How much spinal decompression have you been using lately?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:07:51] It's not a huge part of our practice, but definitely use decompression. We use it mostly for acute disks. And that's where I found that it's really been the most beneficial. Helps with like revascularization that tissue and revascularization the disc as well as just giving that the body a little bit of mechanical relief from the the load that's on that desk. When somebody does have an acute disc bulge or something of that nature. But honestly, in the practice in general, it may be, you know, like a ten, 15% kind of thing.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:08:29] Yeah, we usually see it when we have people who have, like you said, active desks. They come in like reading pain in the sciatica, stuff like that. Yeah, it's great for that. We use it actually a lot for car wrecks too, and it's fantastic for that. We don't use a ton of our athletes now. I will back that up. Okay. And I don't know how you feel about this. This is a touchy subject with lots of lots of trainers. I think kettlebell swings are probably the worst possible thing you can do for your spine because I have seen so many more people who have herniated disks from kettlebell swing catching them than than from car wrecks and stuff like that. So we get a lot of CrossFit guys in here who have tore up their backs because they're you know. Yeah form awkward but.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:09:09] And I do think that that's what a lot of those things boil down to kettlebell swings a lot of the CrossFit maneuvers. You can look like you're doing it correctly, but not be actually doing it correctly. And so many times a like it takes a very, I think, trained eye to be able to spot real form issues and sometimes a matter of like, you know, ten degrees here or there in a swing. And like if you're clenching at the top, if you're overextending at the top, if you're letting your spine round too much, you're not a good hip injure. There's just so many facets of those types of Olympic lifts and and kettlebell swings that that do really load the spine up and can be dangerous. And so I think if done under the right. Conditions and the right you know, I and the proper loading and progression of those exercises that can be really great for a lot a lot of people. But like you said, unfortunately, not everybody is in a situation where they have great eyes on them and so they just pick it up. And I try to mimic what somebody else is doing and they end up in a much worse. But then when they started.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:10:28] Yeah, that's I guess that's one of the things we see a lot from our that's, that's the biggest thing I see herniated disc for our athletes is the is the overloading the bad form like heavy heavy heavy squats will do it to people every once more We'll see that like every. Like not a whole lot but every once a while. But the kettlebell swing stuff we see more often than anything else, that's the only athletic piece where we use the decompression. Usually it's just, you know, herniated disk and stuff like that.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:10:51] But yeah, yeah, occasionally I'll have a football player or something that has had more of an acute injury or just. After years of getting, you know, loaded up, doing what they do will see some disc injury. It's not as common definitely with basketball players Granit a lot of these individuals are are still really, really young. So they definitely have a youth on their side. And with the acute disk herniation, you definitely are usually like, I feel like that 35 and up kind of category. Definitely. Once you're 45 and up, you see a lot more of that coming through the office. So. Way more of a weekend warriors and people are just trying to stay active and work out and the cross fitters unfortunately that category seems to always have a higher propensity of of injuries than some of our other other people, not just in CrossFit. But again, for a lot of the same reasons we talked about with the kettlebell swings it's just. Can be hard on the body, right?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:11:52] Yeah. So as far as the difference in the the the the pro athlete, the normal person as far as you know getting adjusted on a regular basis. I see a lots and lots and lots of teenagers and especially female athletes because what I'm seeing is that when the pelvis is out of alignment, that's when we have the knee injuries in these female athletes. How often are you seeing teenagers as well as in your practice? Is it pretty regularly?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:12:15] Yeah. Know Very, very regularly. And so within my office we have I have five other pyros and then we also have an orthopedic pay. And so between the the group of us teenagers are pretty high portion of our population. And I really feel like from about the age of 12 through 18, that's when when kids bodies are changing the most and these livers are getting longer. And a lot of times the the the muscular system hasn't quite caught up to be able to stabilize the joints and the skeletal system as well as it should. And so we also have opened growth plates at that age, which as you well know, with different things like around the knee and around the keel with like seaver's condition and osteo can dryness or as good slaughters kind of conditions, We we see a lot of a lot of that. And then not only that, but like you said, with the pelvis and the growing individual as well, it doesn't take a whole lot to get people out of whack and they're still using how to use their body is and they're learning how to weight train. And so we do see a lot of that that population and I love loved working with that population because I feel like we have the opportunity to really teach these these individuals, these these kids about their bodies. Because let's face it, like, you know, one who is an athlete has been good their entire lives, like body wise. Right. We've all had something. And the earlier that these kids learn, like, yeah, I have something, this is a part of sport, but I'm listening to my body and I've learned how to take care of it because we have that, again, that opportunity to teach them how to do the right stretches, do the right technique, do the right form, like know what to like spot when they are having, you know, when their body starts talking, they they just know how to listen a little bit better. So I think it's a really fun age group to to work with because, yeah, a lot of people have aspirations to play in college and to play even at the professional level. And the more they start taking care of their bodies, well when they're younger, the more likely they're going to be able to work through those injuries and and hopefully realize some of those their athletic, you know, dreams come true. So that's it's always exciting to work with those kids.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:14:44] You know, you said something earlier about, you know, if you want to be an athletic doc, you need to be an athlete yourself. And I make this statement all the time, especially with bloodwork. I'm like, No athlete should see a non-athlete doctor because you just they just don't understand. All right, we'll just take two weeks off and we'll come back like they told me two weeks after my. They don't know. They don't know you as an athlete. They don't.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:15:04] Yes.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:05] Because it's like, look, we've got to do something where you can maintain your function and get you back to playing as soon as possible. So taking just just lay around and let it rest for two weeks is not a thing. Not a thing.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:15:16] Not an option.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:17] So, you know, but it's really funny to me how little care a lot of these a lot of these teenagers are getting because they just they think, well, I'll wait until it hurts. And I'm like, that is that is the worst option because by the time it hurts, you're real close to an injury.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:15:30] Absolutely.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:15:32] And so getting these kids in on a regular basis has been kind of one of those things that's been really beneficial. You can actually see the kids who get adjusted on a regular basis perform and grow in their sport and their development so much better because their joints are moving like they're supposed to. You can actually achieve the proper form, the proper movement. And that's been really, really fun to kind of see. You know, I tell within these teenage girls, like if you look at one of my one of my buddies did a study and they were looking at the knee, the non traumatic knee injuries in female athletes and the tracking it towards their miss or cycle and they're seeing that there's a vast majority of women who are damaging their knees just running and cutting a week after their menstrual cycle because their policies misaligned. And it's changing the angle from the hips to the knees. And that's just one of the things like you didn't feel bad at all, but your body was in a biomechanical position where you're going to have more injuries. Right? So it's been a really big fun thing, kind of, like you said, teaching these people this is how you move, this is what's going on. We have a lot of guys who come in here and I'm not trying to knock any high school football coach, but not all high school football coaches teach lifting properly. And so.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:16:40] Absolutely.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:16:41] Walking people through form, walking people through function of movement is it's been one of those things like don't don't do it like that. Do do this thing instead. And that's always been a big piece because I'm like, my God, I can't believe they're doing it this way again. But, you know, and the other problem is, is and to the to the high school football coaches who are phenomenal have taught great form. Not everybody has eyes on these kids all the time. And so helping them walk through this is how you move this. This is how you do these things has been, I think, really fun as well. I don't know what it is like. I've got a lot of pros and they're always fun to work with. But for some reason, the teenagers who were trying to get there, I feel like that that that passion, that heart, that like, I'm open to anything. Tell me whatever. I feel like they've got a little bit more of that. And it's fun to it's fun to work with those guys because some of those guys aren't going to the NFL, are going to the, you know, to the league. You know, you can sit there and you can be like, here's the things that benefit you through your entire life. Like, here's the things that are going to keep you where you need to be. And that's been that's been a really fun thing for me. But. Go ahead.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:17:45] No, I just I completely agree. I think that so many times and even as a parent, you know, sometimes we're so quick to be like, you're young, you're young, you're going to be fine, you're young, you're going to be fine. And are they going to be fine? Yes. You know what? If we didn't get our kids adjusted, they would they would be fine. But are they going to be, like exponentially better if they did and and get to a point where, like they I don't know, like I look back on my childhood, not having chiropractic, not knowing anything about it, and I kind of get a little like frustrated that I did in a frustrated even at my parents that they didn't know about it because like, you mean, I wouldn't have had to sit out that six weeks for that knee thing or like I probably would never have had this injury if I would have been getting this done. And I just I just wonder, like, how many needless things kids suffer with again, needlessly because because they don't get adjusted. So are they going to heal? Are they young? Yes. Do we need to just rub a little dirt on it sometimes? Yes. But with that all being said, they also they if you want them to really perform and be their best and feel their best and have the best chance of of enjoying their their sports career as even high school athletes. Yeah. I feel like getting them adjusted is is a no brainer.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:19:06] So I don't know if you have a great story of how you got into chiropractic, but the way I got in was kind of the same same path. I hurt my back and I couldn't walk in high school and I went and saw neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons and everybody who had a licensed pain management specialist and they couldn't figure out what was wrong. And so my parents were very carried me in some 250 pounds at the time. I'm six feet tall and bench pressing 400 pounds with squatting 600 pounds and I can't walk. And my little my little mom helps carry me into the Cairo office. And and it was funny because my my coach, when I told him, I was like, hey, I can't walk. I can't play anymore. And he was like, go see our team, Kyra. And it was funny because I was like, I need a doctor, not a massage, as I remember, because the irony of life, I remember saying that and my parents carried me and he puts me on the table, takes the same x ray that the MDs like that four hours gives. It's right there. Just to me, I got it hobbled out, went back to practice three days later, and that's how I decided I was like, This is what I'm going to do. And the problem with that is that people don't know what what the chiropractor can do for them. They don't know the, you know, I've got migraines. So this would take a little to get rid of it. Like people that don't know I have this herniated disk. I don't need surgery. We can do this. You don't know the you know, I'm a good athlete, but I could be great, you know, as long as things would move better. And that's that's one of the things that I'm that's one of the reason I wanted to the podcast with you but I want to make sure that people are starting to learn these type of things and start to going to get out and be like, you know, I feel like after Covid we've everybody started asking questions that needed to be asked about their health care and stuff like that. And so I think people are starting to realize that there's other options out there besides drugs and stuff. Not so this is one of those things I wanted people to make sure that they saw from a from all over standpoint. So, you know.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:20:42] Absolutely.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:20:43] The the big athletes that is good. Now, one of the things that and it's funny because as a as a as a sports doc I was I was trained through my neuro thing and through sports. I'm concussion. And that is one of those things that is always, you know, I don't know how you see it, but I think people in the office all the time and they're like, Yeah, I went and saw the doctor and they said it was fine and I'll talk to him for two seconds, but you have a concussion. And they're like, Is that why it's so bright in here? And I'm like, Yeah, that's why it's so bright in here. And it's so, you know, it's always kind of irritating to me how little E.R. and how little normal docs pick up on concussions. But, you know, how often do you see concussions in your practice is a pretty regularly.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:21:30] You know what we we do see concussions. It is not as as as as common as I thought it would be in our area. And with the amount of kids that we see growing, You know, my son had his first concussion this year playing football and learned a whole lot more about concussions. And it was an interesting process. And and I'm really happy that I got to go through that with him and and to see that. But I don't think that parents always know what signs and symptoms to look for. And it is I'm hopeful that more and more trainers and staff, I feel like are spotting them earlier and in kids and stuff as well and allowing them to sit out because these concussions can have lifelong impacts on them. And if they're allowed to play and have that potential for a second hits and, you know, potentially life threatening kind of consequences as as well. And so I think really paying attention to again, again their kids, you feel like, you got hit in the head, you'll be fine. But I think we really need to take more of a. Of a proactive approach to teach parents about what to look for. Because it's not just always Did you vomit after you got hit in the head? Right. And that's kind of. Yeah, You know what I think a lot of people think, but really looking for those other cues and again, are like just headache, but like the brightness in the room or being able to focus, being able to pay attention, starting to stutter. There's just such a list of of other symptoms that that do go along with with concussions and become a priority really to taking care of the athlete as a whole. Not just their body but their their heads, too.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:23:20] Yeah, I usually tell parents, I'm like, okay, and if you want to know what it's like to have a concussion, have you ever had a hangover? Right. Because your head hurts, your body saw things are too bright, things are too loud, things are super irritating. You don't have the energy to get through the day. And I guess it's very similar to having a hangover. And so if you start seeing your kids and like normally the lights in the kitchen are fine, but they're kind of squinting or they're kind of looking down at the floor or things are loud, they're like, okay, like so I had a patient come in today who has concussion, and I was like and she she did some stuff yesterday and she ended up going to see her friends in the game. And I said, How was the game? And she goes, It was really loud. And I'm like, That's how, you know, you have a concussion. Like And her mom was like, I've never heard her complain about anything being loud before. And I'm like, This is the thing I like. So that's what you need to look for. And so educating these parents on this thing is one of the things I also enjoy doing, but it's one of those things where, you know, they come in, they're like, Well, there's nothing you can do. And I'm like, There's a lot you can do for concussions. Oxygen's a big player. Like we get people who have concussion issues. Hyperbaric is great for those guys. Methylated, folic acid. Omega three fatty acids. Cocu ten. Restoring that function is great. One of the things we do for ahead of time is creating, creates and has been shown to be neuroprotective for concussions. Yes.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:24:37] Yes. I have heard that more and more for everything from kids and concussions to even people with early onset dementia and just even just older people who may have more of a risk factor for for dementia. Just the the hydrophilic nature of creatine being very, very beneficial for the brain.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:25:01] Yeah, no, it's been fantastic. The, you know, dimensions, one of my favorite things to work on as a neuro gagner that on that.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:25:07] Yeah. So what about the Q callers. Do you have a do you have a perspective on that?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:25:16] Not really. There's there's a, there's a when we, when we're working on like when we're around dementia type of stuff, it's more metabolic. And so a lot of the things that we're doing is more metabolic. So we'll fix the diabetes, which is the primary function for neurodegeneration. Well, increase oxygenation, which is one of the things I do with all my athletes. We do sleep studies with them hyperbaric and then we switch research their diet over so that they don't have part of the diabetes as they don't have any any issues with sugars. We pull the pull off their statin drugs to the brain can regenerate because the brain's in cholesterol. But that's a lot of the stuff that we do with with dementia. But we also do that same type of stuff with concussions because it's, again, regrowing retraining the brain. Right.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:25:59] You know, they have those collars that kids can wear. You see sometimes professional athletes wearing them, but they put very light pressure on the the the jugular vein so that they have increased blood flow to the like. They have less venous return. So there's more blood that stays in the brain and supposed to give it a cushioning effect. And the studies are pretty promising, but I don't have any personal experience with anybody using them. So just curious again, with the neuro background that you have that I do not have, if you if you had any kind of just input on that.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:26:43] So so it's based off the same thing. So the, the barrier receptors in the in the throat and as you put pressure into them, they start to relax. And so as they as they start calming down, you get more, more functional flow. It's not that you're holding more blood in the head because once the oxygen is pulled out of the blood, it's gone. But you have to you have to maintain function of in flow. A lot of times what we'll do for that would be like a nano kinase to increase blood flow. Erythritol works really well for increasing blood flow to the brain as well. But a lot of these people will take a look at them. We'll see whether the chemical that hematocrit levels are at because if we increase those, that helps tremendously across the board. So like a lot of our wellness patients, we'll get them on testosterone specifically to increase the hemoglobin hematocrit levels, to increase oxygenation of the whole body. But one of the biggest things we look at is are you breathing at night? So these sleep studies, especially a lot of our athletes, we've done sleep studies on them like, Buddy, you don't breathe very well at night and we're going to see patterns and oxygen masks and they're like, holy crap, but our world is different. And so we got a couple of guys that what I'll do with a lot of my pro athletes like, Go, I want you to go train as hard as you can today. And then as soon as you get done, come in, once you jump in the hyperbaric chamber and then I want you to go train tomorrow and come back and tell me how you feel. And almost every single time we do that, they come back and go, I want one of these for my house.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:27:59] You're like, Wow.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:28:00] Yeah, it's radically different the amount of the because the hyperbaric increases oxygenation of the tissue by 1,000%. And so now you're carrying your red blood cells and in the plasma of your of your cells. And so the oxygenation is massive. And so the regeneration healing is substantial. And so when you're looking at training and you're looking at regenerative function. Because we can't use peptides, we can't use hormones, we can't use a lot of stuff with our pros or even our college kids. But the oxygenation piece is really, really beneficial. And so, like, you're talking about, you know, manipulating oxygen to the brain. It's a massive, massive piece. Like, we'll get guys in who have concussions and we're usually sitting it about half the time it takes to return to play because we're using hyperbaric and we're using the nutrition to keep there to rebuild the brain.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:28:43] That's great. That's great. That's fabulous.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:28:45] Are you guys doing any hyperbaric down with your stuff?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:28:48] No, we don't do any hyperbaric now. Definitely something that sounds like I need to look into more, though. Not only that, another thing that really interests me is just the iWatch training. And and then even hydrogen inhalation has been a big thing, too, that I've been hearing more and more about. So there are so many different things that are now sort of within our scope but are kind of bordering on like the longevity slash, you know, just sports performance piece of the puzzle that are absolutely fascinating. So everything from like the contrast therapies to the hyperbaric to the the hydrogen, not only inhalation, but even hydrogen water and things like that. There's just lots of different things available that are amazing. At the office, we do do a lot of region work as well. And so touching on PRP and pro ozone therapy and ozone in and of itself is a really, really fascinating just subject because it can also be used in so many different ways to promote healing and antifungal antibacterial promotes just oxygenation of your tissues. And so it's there's so many things out there. Getting the peptide, you know, area, too. And that stuff is also just really, really fascinating and all ways that we can help our patients, not only like stay healthy, but but kind of even almost rewind the hands of time a little bit because as you know well, when we when we do age, there's just certain things that we we stop producing naturally. And so to give our bodies a little bit of ability to to boost those those things in a natural way is always is always an exciting thing to be able to do for for individuals.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:30:42] Are you guys doing a whole lot of peptides in your in your practice?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:30:44] Do we do And obviously since the FDA did do kind of a crackdown on peptides, our our profile looks a little bit differently but we can still get VPC 157 which has been a really, really great one for me for soft tissue healing post-surgery post injury some more Orlin, CJC, APA, Maryland all all really amazing amazing peptides to be able to just give the body a little surge or a little natural. They're all secreted dogs, right? So they all just give the body a little bit of an extra boost of, of of growth hormone, the BPC being body body protection complex that comes more from gastric acid of our stomach. But when injected subcutaneously really has a profound anti-inflammatory effects and soft tissue healing effect on the body. So both both wonderful wonderful ways to help people.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:31:49] You have really gotten into the peptides I like whenever we have it's very because we were like, hey, I have this, this tendon there, this ligament tear. I want to use PPC, and I'm like, You can do that. But I'm a bigger fan of using growth hormone for regeneration of tear. And you know, as far as arthritis, stuff like my body saw all the time like does the BBC's great for that And I use I used BPC and TB 500 a lot for ulcerative colitis and for brain stuff.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:32:13] And use those orally then.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:32:16] I'm a bigger fan of injection. I'm a bigger fan of injection. But we can do we can do oral stuff for that. The problem is that when you're doing oral stuff, typically so many things are torn up in the gut that you're going to have to start kind of going through because a lot of times it will do like it's, you know, you got to pull the information and you got to make the liver. Does that the blood function in the liver does that. And so we'll start pulling out that way. But I still like injections for even giving gut stuff just because you're dropping it right where the problem is doesn't necessarily get, you know, I haven't seen it be substantially better between oral and injectable.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:32:51] Interesting. I don't do as much internal work on the body. We are more biomechanical in nature with the practice that I have. So we do everything subcu. I just did it. No, I don't work on gut stuff, so I didn't know if you had seen a benefit doing it that way or not. I with that in mind.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:33:12] Yeah, there's going to be people are going to see a better, bigger, better fit, you know, left and right. But I've seen really good results subcu all the time. And so that's the one I like. Is the copper peptides like a lot of people use them for hair growth and that's fantastic. It's not really what I'm looking for, but it's.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:33:28] Also okay. Yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:33:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the it's also, you know, it doesn't just work on your scalp. It helps blood functions throughout the whole body. And so we've had a lot of people use those and had really good success with that as well. But the peptide thing I think is really, really, really going to change a lot of the way that people do stuff because we've been able to heal stuff like people come in like, like, well, Sydney's out for surgical consult for like, you know, slap tasers and stuff like that and we'll run them through because I like, I like some more like formula, I like the blend, that's my favorite and we'll run them through something like that. And they, you know, a couple of weeks later like and it's it's really good. And so it's been it's been really, really fun to use some of those techniques. Yeah. Kind of rebuild everything.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:34:10] Absolutely. Are we ever on the same thing?
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:34:14] Are those still because I keep hearing this and so I haven't used any are those are those still banned in the NFL and stuff like that?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:34:21] Yes. Okay. Yes. Also creative dogs and even PPC 157. They're all under their their anti-doping list.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:34:29] Yeah, we haven't used any because that's what people kept telling me. And I haven't I haven't ever once while I like once a year or twice a year I'll get the I get the banned list so I can make sure everything's on it.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:34:38] But yes, the list is long.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:34:40] I haven't specifically looked for that when I was just like anything that we're injecting into you is not going to be something we can use. So it's just been kind of off on the ozone stuff. Are you guys doing like, because the way that we did, I can remember is called where they we pull the blood out into a bag and we injection the bag and hang the bag back up. Is that how you guys.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:34:55] So that's major auto chemotherapy and that is one way to introduce ozone into the body for sure. Again, that is typically done for more like people with like high viral load. It can be done for sports performance but it's probably not the the the number one thing that I would do from a vibe standpoint for someone who is looking more for sports performance, we do it via injection. And so we are doing it more for knees, for shoulders, for tendon healing for we've done it on hands on toes, you name it, we've probably injected it. And so as you know, like O three, ozone is O three. And so it's a very unstable molecule in and of itself, and it very rapidly disassociates into an O two molecule and then a single O, And so when it is injected, it's usually injected with they call it like a pro ozone adjunct. And there's a little bit of typically like some sort of numbing agent, either lighter can be better and something like that. And then a series of a little bit of dextrose, a little bit of B-12, a little vitamin concoction, if you will, and to really just feed the area and to numb the area, because when the ozone gas goes in, it often is is Bernie, it's stinky depending on how deep you go with it. And so the that the ozone then quickly disassociates after it is injected into an O two molecule and a single O. So now you're you're directly oxygenating tissue that's not well, oxygenated. If you think about the inside of a knee or the cartilage inside of the knee is not getting great, great blood supply. It's mainly a vascular because it is cartilage. And so we see this huge increase in the oxygenation. And then the single Oa will essentially grab on to other things in the joint juice and take it from an acidic situation to a more basic situation. And whenever you have more basic fluid, you're going to have less degeneration, it's less acidic, so it's less eating away at the joint itself. And so protozoan can be a really, really great way to help arthritis in the knees. That's probably what we use it the most on, but it's also really great on tendon healing. We've used it on Achilles tendinitis and again, we've used it a little bit on everything, but it's just a really great can use on scars superficially as well. So just a great a great natural thing to use in other countries actually use ozone and they will literally flush the body before they suture somebody up because it does have such high antibacterial properties in other countries where they can't afford, you know, just more expensive ways to to sterilize things they'll use they'll use ozone so it can be made just for the generator and the good old fashioned air with oxygen. So it's an inexpensive way as well to really help heal things.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:38:07] It may require that the surgical piece, that's pretty cool. Yeah, we've used it for we've used in inflations, we've done all sorts of things with that. But it's it's been we make it in gels for, for the mouth and stuff like that. We do that for a long time and that's, that's. Been a really fun thing to see as well. But it's that's a cool thing about the what The surgery. I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't do a lot of surgery so it's not one of those things.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:38:28] No, no. But I've had doctors say like, you know, I did this this thing in in Cuba and this is how they, like, close everybody up. They they will saturate the area with okay needed saline before closing people up And so it just really helps to again get rid of get rid of the antibacterial. So it just helps to clean everything up before things close back up.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:38:53] That's pretty cool. Yeah. Usually what I I'm fascinated by surgery and so, like, usually when I have surgical questions, I hit up. I have 3 or 4 surgeons that I always, since I have to be like, Do you want this? And like, yeah, what do they need? And like, it's always funny cause they'll give me a little education on it as we go. But it's always been one of the things that's great.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:39:12] It is. It's amazing what that profession can do. I know that sometimes, you know, there may be controversy and I don't ever see why there is controversy because we have completely different tool bags and we need surgeons. We need good surgeons because we put everything back together again. Unfortunately, we're just our hands. But I do believe in a progression, you know, of things. And if we if we can't heal it through natural ways, then we then we introduce, you know, medicines and we can't help it with medicines. And maybe at that point we need to look at, you know, the surgical route. But but we all have different tool bags. And each one of us is is needed to do our role. So it's great to have those people in your back pocket when you need them.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:39:56] Yeah, it's the, the this, the herniated disc thing I think is the easiest way I explain like how they we all work together. It's you come in, we'll get the MRI. I'll work on your desks. If it's too bad we're getting a steroid injection. And then if. If the if what we're doing, the cell injections don't work, then we send you out for surgery. So, you know, we get to save 95% of the people from surgery. But still, there's still some people that we walk down that road. We're like, wow. And now we're here. And so at least you've exhausted all the other things. And so, you know, you have to do this 100%.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:40:24] 100%.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:40:26] Yeah. So. Well, fantastic. Thank you so much. Is there any anything that you want to make sure people here know about, like when they're trying to find their health care team and that type of thing?
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:40:34] You know what, I think one of the biggest thing is to remember that when you're looking at chiropractors, it's not like going to a dentist, right? If you go to one dentist and you're pretty much going to get the same exact thing from every single dentist. So unfortunately, there's good and bad of every profession. But if you are one of those people that maybe didn't have a great experience with a chiropractic don't or with a chiropractor, don't don't give up on the profession itself because there's a very good chance that the technique that was being used just wasn't the right one for you. And so I really would implore you to to go seek out other other options and try a couple different chiropractors out, because again, we all have different tool bags and it's a blessing and a curse about of our profession is that there are so many different techniques out there. There is something for everybody. But if you went to one that didn't like fit you, a lot of times we just think that that's what every experience is going to be like. And unfortunately or fortunately, there are just a lot of different ways to to do things. And so if you didn't have a great experience, do some research, ask your friends who they go to. And I would just really implore you to to try again because it's it's people will say, chiropractic didn't work. Well, it's not ah, I don't believe in it. And I feel like it's it's not a religion. It's not something you need to believe in or not. It is a science. And so sometimes it's just the application, which is the art part that may not have been congruent with that individual. So I would just really implore people to go find somebody else that that can help you because we are out there and it really does work. It's just about mixing the the right, the right people together, I think.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:42:20] You know, it's funny you mention that because one of the things that has helped me the most, I just had my sports certification do my neuro certification. The thing that helped me the most with with hip, knee and pelvic work, I learned from my pediatric docs recently, the pubic services around ligament like that type of stuff. It's been that the way they did it and the way they taught me how to do that's been the biggest, biggest adjunct for me is kind of doing that, bring that in. So like you said, there's so many different, you know, there's pediatric chiro, there's Upper Cervical, there's all sorts of things and they get really good at their specific pieces. And so learning from those guys is kind of fun. But, you know, that's the other side. Like we didn't even talk about pediatric pregnancy. Do you see a lot of pregnant women? Because we see like, that's one of my favorite things to walk through.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:43:05] We don't we don't we we see a handful. Yes. But I definitely don't claim to be a pregnancy specialist by by any sense of the imagination. I mean, we're very specifically like majority of our our patients are sporty in some sense. And. The A-word. And so if we have pregnant people, they usually came through us or they were know patients before they got pregnant. But people don't seek us out as a pregnancy kind of based clinic.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:33] Well, so I'm not a specifically pregnancy based first person as well. But we have a lot of patients who I've met and when they were 17 and moved back and they got married, they had. Yes, that's the one thing that makes me feel old when I. I knew you when you were when you were 15. And you're here, you're 25 and you're pregnant and you're married.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:43:54] They said.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:55] Yeah, yeah. That's the one that.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:43:57] Made us for sure.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:43:58] Yeah, I can be like, I've been here since seven. I've been here for, you know, 17 years. And it was like, you, you were a little kid and now you're now you're normally adult, married, pregnant with. Okay, that's, yeah.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:44:09] Now with four kids. What? Yeah.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:44:15] Yeah. So that's always fun. Well, thanks for jumping on with us and hopefully we're going to send this out too, right? Hopefully people can start to see it and start recognizing that, you know, these are the type of things that they need to look for, for their health care, for their kids and for everything else to get where they need to go. This has been a fantastic job. I know you do credit this because you're this is how you who you are. It's always great to find the people who like, you know, what they do is their passion and their focus. And it's not just for money. It's what they do because they love it. And so that's that's that's definitely you. And that's why I want to make sure we got a chance to chat.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:44:49] So thank you all. We are blessed to be able to to find our passion and find our passion serving and and really truly love love what we do. Because it is it's it's a gift that we can keep giving them.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:01] Yes. Well, thank you so much. And I know. So you're in Dallas like tell everybody where you're where your office is and how to get a hold of you.
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:45:08] Absolutely. My office is called Reagan Integrated Sports Medicine. And we are at Preston and LBJ. You can find us at we fix athletes on Instagram and you can also locate us on the the web at w w w dot regen sports medical.
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:24] Fabulous. Thank you so much
Dr. Camille Reagan [00:45:26] Thank you appreciate that
Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:45:28] Have a good one
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